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midmoump
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Late to the party, as usual. . . A Baseball Puritan, LOL. My religion is Baseball Orthodoxy: we believe in a strict interpretation of Rule 1.01! Personally, I don't get FED at all. No fake tags,

noumpere
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Didnt we recently have a play here where with a runner at second all the infielders charged and yelled "bunt" and the pick off to second was caught by the center fielder? Does Jax have obstructionon

mstaylor
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Jax has you and I read enough to know what you were arguing. My point was the deke is fine, the dialogue to sell it is not. You can say he wasn't talking to the runner but he absolutely is. Have you n

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I'm not sure he disengaged properly to begin with. Looks like his pivot foot disengaged before the non-pivot foot started toward 2d.

It looke so odd when I saw it first in real time, but the video isn't the best queslity.

SanDiegoSteve

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Yeah, perfectly legal to fake to 2nd from the rubber. From there he became a fielder because the attempted play. He was off the rubber when he went home.

Jimurray

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He did not dissengage on the throw to 2B and did not have to.

"Looks like his pivot foot disengaged before the non-pivot foot started toward 2d." If he did that he would be OK also. Doesn't look like he did though.

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I'm not questioning the fake to 2d. Of course you can fake to 2d.

I think he disengaged the pitching plate forward before his non-pivot foot went to 2d, and that is not OK.

sdix00

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If his pivot foot went forward just prior to his free foot stepping to 2B, then that is not disengaging (legally or illegally). That is a jab step from the rubber and is legal. Think of a similar move when RH pitchers throw to 1B. Often they jab their pivot foot toward 3B just prior to stepping to 1b.

Jimurray

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I'm not questioning the fake to 2d. Of course you can fake to 2d.

I think he disengaged the pitching plate forward before his non-pivot foot went to 2d, and that is not OK.

I have that OK just like a jab step to 1B.

SanDiegoSteve

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He is working from the set position. Where else would his foot be except in front of the rubber? From there, he can spin and throw to 2nd base. His foot (and every other pitcher's foot) can come forward off the rubber. That is not considered disengaging the rubber. The pitcher is not required to disengage the rubber (which is stepping back off rubber intentionally with pivot foot) before a move to 2nd base. Not quite sure what you see as a problem. His move to 2nd came before any movement off the rubber. Had he stepped forward first, and then went to 2nd, that would be different.

Jocko

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Very similar. F1 feints to 2B, F6 F4 and F8 all start chasing the "ball". R2 breaks for 3B and F1 has him cold in no man's land. Perfectly legal according to the FED case book, but horses**t bush league in my book. Hope I never see it again. Garbage. Beat em with the bats and leather, not cheap bush tactics.

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Very similar. F1 feints to 2B, F6 F4 and F8 all start chasing the "ball". R2 breaks for 3B and F1 has him cold in no man's land. Perfectly legal according to the FED case book, but horses**t bush league in my book. Hope I never see it again. Garbage. Beat em with the bats and leather, not cheap bush tactics.

I don't have any problem with that. That's what base coaches are for, to pay attention for things like that.

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JaxRolo

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Very similar. <acronym title='Pitcher'>F1</acronym> feints to 2B, <acronym title='Shortstop'>F6</acronym> <acronym title='Second baseman'>F4</acronym> and <acronym title='Center fielder'>F8</acronym> all start chasing the "ball". <acronym title='Base runner at 2B'>R2</acronym> breaks for 3B and <acronym title='Pitcher'>F1</acronym> has him cold in no man's land. Perfectly legal according to the <acronym title='Federation Rules (High School)'>FED</acronym> case book, but horses**t bush league in my book. Hope I never see it again. Garbage. Beat em with the bats and leather, not cheap bush tactics.

I had this recently. But F1 started yelling "get the ball, get the ball"

Right or wrong I got him for verbal interference.

Rich Ives

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Very similar. F1 feints to 2B, F6 F4 and F8 all start chasing the "ball". R2 breaks for 3B and F1 has him cold in no man's land. Perfectly legal according to the FED case book, but horses**t bush league in my book. Hope I never see it again. Garbage. Beat em with the bats and leather, not cheap bush tactics.

You have disliked several legal plays.

You're in the wrong business.

Jocko

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Just because it's legal doesn't make it good. I don't like the 3rd to 1st pickoff move either... Does that make me any less than anyone else? The "problem" is that I love baseball and consider myself a purist. Lots of bush league stuff is legal. Still its bush. I have more love honor reverance and respect for the game than to allow her to be treated like a 2 bit harlot. She is a lady, and MUST be treated as such. I'm in EXACTLY the right business!

Jocko

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Very similar. <acronym title='Pitcher'><acronym title='Pitcher'>F1</acronym></acronym> feints to 2B, <acronym title='Shortstop'><acronym title='Shortstop'>F6</acronym></acronym> <acronym title='Second baseman'><acronym title='Second baseman'>F4</acronym></acronym> and <acronym title='Center fielder'><acronym title='Center fielder'>F8</acronym></acronym> all start chasing the "ball". <acronym title='Base runner at 2B'><acronym title='Base runner at 2B'>R2</acronym></acronym> breaks for 3B and <acronym title='Pitcher'><acronym title='Pitcher'>F1</acronym></acronym> has him cold in no man's land. Perfectly legal according to the <acronym title='Federation Rules (High School)'><acronym title='Federation Rules (High School)'>FED</acronym></acronym> case book, but horses**t bush league in my book. Hope I never see it again. Garbage. Beat em with the bats and leather, not cheap bush tactics.

I had this recently. But <acronym title='Pitcher'>F1</acronym> started yelling "get the ball, get the ball"

Right or wrong I got him for verbal interference.

Good Form! I salute you!
Jocko

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Never having met most ppl here, I still get a read on their personality and attitude towards this great game. Some are letter of the law, some are grey area, some are in it for their ego, some for the $ (which is substantial), me... I'm an umpire for the sake of the preservation of it in its purist form. The $ is very good, but I do it for more. Baseball is more than a game to me. It is my duty and honor to serve her. I wear my uniform with the same pride I felt when I wore my Dress Blues. Some feel the call to serve the church, their country, their community. I answered the call to serve the Game. I can only hope other umpires feel a fraction of the emotion I feel when I'm standing at attention during the National Anthem before I put the ball in play. Sadly, there are some of my brothers in blue that will never see it as anything but a job.

Thunderheads

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I had this recently. But F1 started yelling "get the ball, get the ball"

Right or wrong I got him for verbal interference.

Verbal interference? On the pitcher talking to his players?? :shrug:

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noumpere

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Very similar. F1 feints to 2B, F6 F4 and F8 all start chasing the "ball". R2 breaks for 3B and F1 has him cold in no man's land. Perfectly legal according to the FED case book, but horses**t bush league in my book. Hope I never see it again. Garbage. Beat em with the bats and leather, not cheap bush tactics.

You have disliked several legal plays.

You're in the wrong business.

I agree with Rich its the Miami play its been around for a long time its a legal fake and the team should be embarasssed to be caught by it.

sdix00

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While I respect the game as well, I also respect the players and coaches to run their teams as they see fit, whether I agree or not. I do not seek to legislate the way the game is played from behind the plate.

There are fringe elements in every game. If I have have a problem with it, I will write my congressman, er, rules committee.

Meanwhile, just the fact, ma'am.

NovaScotiaBlue

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Trout78...

Well if you describe yourself as being a purist...which when I look it up is defined as, One who practices or urges strict correctness.

Well then you must have severe dislike when you umpire games where a DH is used , is played under the lights, played on a field that does not have a dirt and grass infield, As a umpire purist yourself, you must also hate working with a partner, having to set up behind the catcher and use a mask and a CP. This great game has gone through some pretty substantial changes in her lifetime. All these modifications have changed baseball from it's pure, original form. Also I see you applaude a call of verbal interference which to me seems to be the misaplicaion of the rules, based on a personal bias. This again to me is something an umpire is not supposed to do. So it seems you are not the purist you claim.

JaxRolo

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I had this recently. But F1 started yelling "get the ball, get the ball"

Right or wrong I got him for verbal interference.

Verbal interference? On the pitcher talking to his players?? :shrug:

Absolutely! He was running towards the Runner to tag him while he was yelling trying to confuse him. Maybe I was wrong but it sure sounds like a verbal interference to me! :meditation::nod::HS :lookup

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Jocko

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I cannot nor do I try to "legislate" the way it is played. All I am saying is that I don't like Bush league, and explained why. If there's no rule governing the play, there's obviously nothing for me to do but watch the play develop. Doesn't mean I have to like or appreciate the trickery. I have more respect for the teams that practice at hitting and fielding, over the ones spending that time working on their bush tactics.

Jocko

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Trout78...

Well if you describe yourself as being a purist...which when I look it up is defined as, One who practices or urges strict correctness.

call me like you see em. I'll do the same on my end. You completely misunderstood the spirit and intent of my post. Instead of spending time and energy reiterating in a way you can understand, I will simply say that I consider myself a sentimental guarding the integrity of the game. You be what you are, and if it makes you feel better, you can condescendingly look down. I'm you're Huckleberry
Jocko

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I had this recently. But <acronym title='Pitcher'>F1</acronym> started yelling "get the ball, get the ball"

Right or wrong I got him for verbal interference.

Verbal interference? On the pitcher talking to his players?? :shrug:

absolutely. Same as if a fielder or fan for that matter starts hollering "back" to baserunners or baserunners hollering "I got it" on fly balls.
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