Balk from the Windup

[bam]

So I guess simply throwing the ball somewhere not towards the plate must be a balk?

[Thunderheads]

So I guess simply throwing the ball somewhere not towards the plate must be a balk?

For Christ's sake .....please stop it. Why are you the only person arguing this issue. It's no one elses fault that you can't see this situation in your mind.

The kid disengaged, then did some sort of wind-up motion and threw to third, instead of just stepping and throwing.

I don't understand why this is so difficult. Sorry, but ... we're going around in circles for no reason ....

[bam]

So I guess simply throwing the ball somewhere not towards the plate must be a balk?

For Christ's sake .....please stop it. Why are you the only person arguing this issue. It's no one elses fault that you can't see this situation in your mind.

The kid disengaged, then did some sort of wind-up motion and threw to third, instead of just stepping and throwing.

I don't understand why this is so difficult. Sorry, but ... we're going around in circles for no reason ....

I'm not being difficult. YOU can't even give an accurate description of what he did - "did some sort of wind-up motion" - which is nowhere to be found in the OP.

I stipulated to the HTBT but still can't see the "raising his arm" thing elevating to balk. Plus I hate calling balks. It's got to be really dirty.

And now I'm done with this thread

[Thunderheads]

So I guess simply throwing the ball somewhere not towards the plate must be a balk?

For Christ's sake .....please stop it. Why are you the only person arguing this issue. It's no one elses fault that you can't see this situation in your mind.

The kid disengaged, then did some sort of wind-up motion and threw to third, instead of just stepping and throwing.

I don't understand why this is so difficult. Sorry, but ... we're going around in circles for no reason ....

I'm not being difficult. YOU can't even give an accurate description of what he did - "did some sort of wind-up motion" - which is nowhere to be found in the OP.

I stipulated to the HTBT but still can't see the "raising his arm" thing elevating to balk. Plus I hate calling balks. It's got to be really dirty.

And now I'm done with this thread

It's not the OP, ...it's actually from post#9

Disengages properly and THEN lifts his arms and picks off to third.

[Welpe]

Oh Jeez Arik, what have you done? Everyone relax...

If F1 disengages, and then lifts his arms, with hands together like he is going to start his pitching motion, I will balk that all day, every day. There's only one reason why he's doing it AND it's expressly prohibited.

[stl_ump]

I saw this twice from the same team and thought it was a balk but wasn't sure. I did some digging and found out no can do. Unfortunately, I never had them again. But I was ready for it just in case!

[BT_Blue]

Oh Jeez Arik, what have you done? Everyone relax...

BWA HA HA HA!!!!

[24sdad]

If F1 disengages, and then lifts his arms, with hands together like he is going to start his pitching motion, I will balk that all day, every day. There's only one reason why he's doing it AND it's expressly prohibited.

Bam, no one is saying if F1 legally disengages and throws to a base it is a balk just because a throwing motion is included in a pitching motion. What Welpe stated above is what differentiates the two. I hate to use the dreaded "deception" word, but that is what occurs here. The move we used to use (described earlier) was intended to illegally deceive the runner into believing our F1 had begun his pitching motion (while disengaged) so a runner would lead off and get picked off. Looking back at it, we were trying to gain an unfair advantage and a smart umpire put a stop to it. I would bet if both were demonstrated for you, you would agree with everyone else that one is allowable and one is not.

[semper_fi_72]

After seeing some of these posts, it makes sense why the Manager was stating "No One Else" is calling that a Balk :nod:

[SanDiegoSteve]

It is written right there in the rule: Rule 8.01(a) Comment (3): From the Windup Position, the pitcher may disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hands to his sides).

Bam, that is pretty cut and dried.

[jjskitours]

And just for those that subscribe to baseball mythology....taking signs isn't considered part of a motion naturally associate with a pitch .

Now if you take those signs off the rubber then go into a pitching motion...Balk'em!

Only if guilty of a "quick pitch". No umpire is going to call a balk because pitcher took signs off the rubber and then steps on the rubber.

[Rich Ives]

It is written right there in the rule: Rule 8.01(a) Comment (3): From the Windup Position, the pitcher may disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hands to his sides).

Bam, that is pretty cut and dried.

You know better on this one . . . .

[Welpe]

It is written right there in the rule: Rule 8.01(a) Comment (3): From the Windup Position, the pitcher may disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hands to his sides).

Bam, that is pretty cut and dried.

You know better on this one . . . .

Please expound.

[johnnyg08]

Bottom line is that F1 can't legally "disengage" with his lower body and act like he's going to pitch with his upper body. That is the issue, and yes it is a balk.

[SanDiegoSteve]

It is written right there in the rule: Rule 8.01(a) Comment (3): From the Windup Position, the pitcher may disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hands to his sides).

Bam, that is pretty cut and dried.

You know better on this one . . . .

Well, you know better that the pitcher can't raise his hands over his head like he's starting a windup. :no:

[Rich Ives]

It is written right there in the rule: Rule 8.01(a) Comment (3): From the Windup Position, the pitcher may disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hands to his sides).

Bam, that is pretty cut and dried.

You know better on this one . . . .

Well, you know better that the pitcher can't raise his hands over his head like he's starting a windup.

And I know that he just has to drop his hands before he re-engages.

[SanDiegoSteve]

It is written right there in the rule: Rule 8.01(a) Comment (3): From the Windup Position, the pitcher may disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hands to his sides).

Bam, that is pretty cut and dried.

You know better on this one . . . .

Well, you know better that the pitcher can't raise his hands over his head like he's starting a windup.

And I know that he just has to drop his hands before he re-engages.

Which is an interpretation, not part of the actual rule as written in the rule book. It is from an interpretation manual of some alphabetical persuasion.