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Umpire in Chief

Umpire in Chief

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Yes, that's college boy Brian Kownacki joining Mark Buehrle and Paul Maholm as an early contender for the baseball play of the year with this unbelievable and successful leap turned handspring over Iona catcher James Beck on Tuesday. The soaring Superman play wasn't just for show, either. It was part of a nine-run rally in the eighth inning that helped Fordham overcome an early 9-1 deficit en route to a 12-9 win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2tUCExoiL8

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JamesC

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Too bad that could never happen in FED! Nice play though! I hate to beat a dead horse, but it seems like the PU may have a pretty unfavorable position here...

Paperipper17

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I'm surprised HC stayed in the game as long as he did...out there :FIRE: for a full minute...he clearly landed right on the plate, the conversation should have consisted of "You sure he didn't tag him?" "Yep." "Ok."

Still, awesome effort there:clap:. That's how you earn your way into the starting lineup. Out by three steps, most guys would either give themselves up or make a half-ass hook slide.

BrianC14

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Too bad that could never happen in FED! Nice play though! I hate to beat a dead horse, but it seems like the PU may have a pretty unfavorable position here...

Well it CAN happen in FED. But the call will always (should always) be the same. :FIRE:

JamesC

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Well, as the video shows it seems he got the call right, but it also seems as though the catcher's back is to the umpire, therefore blocking the view of the ball. How does he REALLY know if he applied the tag prior to the leap? I think this may be the reason the coach stayed a) came out on the call just because he knew the umpire couldn't see that part and :FIRE: stayed in the game so long because the umpire may not have been sure if his call was correct. Just a theory...

BrianC14

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Well, as the video shows it seems he got the call right, but it also seems as though the catcher's back is to the umpire, therefore blocking the view of the ball. How does he REALLY know if he applied the tag prior to the leap? I think this may be the reason the coach stayed a) came out on the call just because he knew the umpire couldn't see that part and B) stayed in the game so long because the umpire may not have been sure if his call was correct. Just a theory...

If I see daylight between the runner and the player making the tag, guess what? No tag. Also, the mitt never came above F2's head (even though HE thinks it did, and even though his coach shows a full arm extension above his head) :no: - the position he had for that was the best he could have hoped for.

Again - you have to resist the urge to take a call at 1BLX (just wondering if that's not where you're headed with this) - - otherwise, where else would you go to make this call? And let's remember it's not exactly a routine play for a runner to dive up and over a catcher.

softballcoach

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I just posted this in the sits area, we had the same thing happen in a HS game 20 years ago, holy crap, has it been that long???? Anyway, we had R1 headed to 2nd and hurdled the F4 and get called out for leaving the base path.

Big Red

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Wow...that's awesome! Looks like to me the fact that the catcher even brought his mitt up at all is that he saw the runner leaning forward, not sliding and fully expected the runner to barrel into him and was getting ready for the collision. As Brian said, he never got his mitt up to tag...not sure why the coach was trying to argue that he got his hands up.

And the scores, ladies and gentemen.......

Form: 9.6!

Execution: 10.0!!! :no:

BrianC14

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My bad:wow: where? What's the RIGHT call? After all, I'm just a coach, not a RAT coach mind you, just a coach.:no:

The right call is presented in the video. There is no limit to the vertical a runner may use.

Paperipper17

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A runner can leap in FED... provided the fielder is lying on the ground.

A runner may not DIVE in FED.

Is there a difference between a leap and a hurdle? My junior year of HS our B3 was called out at the plate in a 0-0 game when the catcher dove at his feet and he hurdled over the tag. PU called him safe, then the other HC came out to challenge, PU went to BU, and they called him out for hurdling over the tag.

Is the dive rule only for plays at the plate, or anywhere?

Jboval

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He would be out in Fed ruleset. Can't jump over anyone unless they are lying on the ground, and can never dive headfirst over anyone. Legal everywhere else.

mazzamouth

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No, he was up he first baseline. If he went 1BE then the play may have come closer to him. I like his position.

But being on the 1BLE, he might have seen a tag, if one had happen... the position he was in, I think he would have missed a tag...and there are some video's about where to stand, and on a collision play like this could have been, PU should have been 1BLE..

mazzamouth

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Again - you have to resist the urge to take a call at 1BLX (just wondering if that's not where you're headed with this) - - otherwise, where else would you go to make this call? And let's remember it's not exactly a routine play for a runner to dive up and over a catcher.

I will disagree here... with a collision play possible,like is this one.. the catcher was about 4 feet up the 3rd baseline.. your gonna be looking at assholes and elbows, ( not saying you will not make the right call) but if you were 1BLE you would have seen this as clear as day..

I had one almost like this the other day... coach sent R3 late and he dove for the plate, I was 1 BLE and saw this play nicely..

BrianC14

BrianC14

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I will disagree here... with a collision play possible,like is this one.. the catcher was about 4 feet up the 3rd baseline.. your gonna be looking at assholes and elbows, ( not saying you will not make the right call) but if you were 1BLE you would have seen this as clear as day..

I had one almost like this the other day... coach sent R3 late and he dove for the plate, I was 1 BLE and saw this play nicely..

Then we disagree, and life goes on.

But I think the video supports my position. The runner will be out by a mile if he just gives up and gets into a weak slide. You can easily adjust to that.

But the UIC in this one starts in a typical position, (remember he'd already seen two runners cross) and now #3 is headed his way.... the most likely chain of events has R1 sliding to the outside, and 3BLX is the optimum position for that. Only at the last second does R1 go into his dive , then UIC moves slightly to his right (which might not have been a good thing, as he's moving at a critical point in the play) but, from there, he's got a line to see no tag... waits to see the touch of the plate ... 'Safe'.

It's important to remember here that when we discuss positioning on these calls, that 3BLX, 1BLX, etc. etc. is a guideline... it doesn't mean that the UIC should anchor himself at one particular spot. More often than not, you have to move a bit - one way or the other - as the play develops. The important thing is to not be moving as the tag is occuring. In this case, his 3BLX position was the right one.

I've seen some umpires suddenly dart over to 1BLX, but they're so close to the play, that they end up taking away the runner's outside path. Not good.

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mstaylor

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That was my point Brian, going to 1BLX or 1BL gives you basically the same for most plays that are coming straight at the catcher but going to 1BLX will likely get you hit.

BrianC14

BrianC14

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That was my point Brian, going to 1BLX or 1BL gives you basically the same for most plays that are coming straight at the catcher but going to 1BLX will likely get you hit.

Mike, we've got to stop agreeing like this... :no: :rantoff:

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