Quick Question

[mstaylor]

Don't mind me, I was reading runner not batter.

[Jboval]

Ok, let's see what you would call on this one.... no outs, no runners, batter hits ball down the line towards first, F3 makes a play, but the ball bounces off him and rolls just past first base line as the first baseman falls down. Ball comes to a complete stop, and before F1 or F4 can pick it up, the runner unintentionally hits the ball with his foot as he rounds first on his way to second base. What would you call? And why?

:meditation:

[Umpire in Chief]

Ok, let's see what you would call on this one.... no outs, no runners, batter hits ball down the line towards first, F3 makes a play, but the ball bounces off him and rolls just past first base line as the first baseman falls down. Ball comes to a complete stop, and before F1 or F4 can pick it up, the runner unintentionally hits the ball with his foot as he rounds first on his way to second base. What would you call? And why?

I've got a whole lot of nothing.

[BrianC14]

I've got a whole lot of nothing.

I've got that too, and I've also got F3 not making a play, since he booted it. :meditation:

[JaxRolo]

I've got a whole lot of nothing.

Nothing but a live play. Unintentional is the key word. (did I spell that right?)

[blp79]

Ok, let's see what you would call on this one.... no outs, no runners, batter hits ball down the line towards first, F3 makes a play, but the ball bounces off him and rolls just past first base line as the first baseman falls down. Ball comes to a complete stop, and before F1 or F4 can pick it up, the runner unintentionally hits the ball with his foot as he rounds first on his way to second base. What would you call? And why?

I got a booted ball by f3 and r1 unintentionally contacted the ball,live ball

[Mr Umpire]

Play on. F3 had his shot at it and deflected it and BR did nothing intentional. At this point, F3 might be liable for OBS depending on timing and where he is.

Minus that, it is nothing as far as I am concerned.

[Kevin Finnerty]

The same rules apply if I'm not mistaken.

A runner occupying a base is not out if struck by an Infield Fly.

[Jboval]

Gotcha... was curious if there was something there with the contact between R1 and ball since the contact was not "immediately back" of fielder, but then on second glance saw the "not an out if ball is deflected first by fielder then makes contact" - or something of that nature... that 'immediately back of fielder' leaves a lot up for interpretation, like... how far behind the fielder?

[Jboval]

A runner occupying a base is not out if struck by an Infield Fly.

What if the fielder runs in to him while trying to field the ball? Then is he out for INT? I mean he has to vacate the bag to give room to the fielder correct?

[tjthresh]

What if the fielder runs in to him while trying to field the ball? Then is he out for INT? I mean he has to vacate the bag to give room to the fielder correct?

He may. I don't know for sure, but its dumb if he does. Hell, the batter is already out.

[JaxRolo]

Play on. F3 had his shot at it and deflected it and BR did nothing intentional. At this point, F3 might be liable for OBS depending on timing and where he is.

Minus that, it is nothing as far as I am concerned.

I believe the fielder has all rights to the ball so if anything it would be INT on the runner. But like you said it is all timing. Something like this is hard to "rule" on paper.

But as far as I am concerned its nothing.

[Umpire in Chief]

What if the fielder runs in to him while trying to field the ball? Then is he out for INT? I mean he has to vacate the bag to give room to the fielder correct?

That's a HTBT but most likely I'd just have a trainwreck, play on.

[mazzamouth]

That's a HTBT but most likely I'd just have a trainwreck, play on.

warren is right, if a runner is on the base, he is ok.. unless he does something to Interfere....

[JamesC]

What if the fielder runs in to him while trying to field the ball? Then is he out for INT? I mean he has to vacate the bag to give room to the fielder correct?

The runner does not have to vacate a bag to give a fielder room to catch a fly ball. However, if possible, the fielder could "shift" himself around while remaining in contact with the bag, in an effort to allow the fielder to catch the fly ball.

[Jboval]

I can't find anything saying that the R has the right to stay on the bag and not get out of the way of a fielder trying to field the ball... however, 7.08b in LL states "...or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball (Note: A runner who is adjudged to have hindered a fielder who is attempting to make a play on a batted ball is out whether it was intentional or not)"

I have actually seen in Minor/Majors LL on a ball hit up the middle with a R2, the short stop hustling over to field the ball hit right to 2nd base location, and R2, not being forced, just stayed on the bag, hindering the fielder from making the play on the ball and B/R. I left it alone, but looking at this rule, I should of called him out. Anyone have different thoughts/rule cite??

Everyone keeps saying the R has the right to the bag during the play on a batted ball, but I don't see that anywhere in writing.