Timing Play

[semper_fi_72]

13U Championship Game

R2 and R3 two outs.

Batter hits one to Left Center.

R3 scores no problem.

As R2 rounds 3B and heads home, BR rounds 1B and tries to stretch it into a double.

R2 starts to shut it down before reaching the plate.

BR is out at 2B and because R2 shut it down, he had not touched the plate before the out.

I loudly call the run does not score.

The VTHC asks for an explanation and we discuss it calmly.

While we are discussing the reason for my call some of the parents start to come un-glued.

I really wasn't paying any attention to them.

After I finish my discussion with the VTHC I now hear the TD telling his parents that's enough and advises me and the VTHC that he has now issued a warning to him for his parents action.

As the game progressives they continue to chirp when they don't think a pitch went their way.

About 2 innings later a Parent yells out, Come on Blue, don't take it of of the kids hands.

I call time and call the VTHC over.

Scott the TD already issued you a warning.

I can really careless about the chirping on balls and strikes but the comments about taking the game out of the kids hands will not be tolerated.

I want to keep you in the game. You worked hard this weekend to get here.

I am telling you now, that unless you control your parents the next unsportsmanlike comment will result in two things.

Your ejection and the removal of all the parents from the facility before we resume the game.

He says I understand, speaks with the parents and the game resumes and continues without many other comments.

After the game he apologizes for his parents and thanks us for our hard work in the game.

As we are leaving the field, one mother says, you absolutely suck blue.

I replied, you are correct.

It was all my fault that your team failed to execute routine plays that gave up 5 unearned runs in the First inning causing you to lose 9 - 4.

Oh and BTW, if I counted the run that didn't score, you still lost 9 - 5.

Thank you for support today.

Hot Day, Championship Games late in the afternoon at a Facility that serves beer.

Makes for great parents.

[mw94]

So which Big League Nightmare park were you working?

13U Championship Game

R2 and R3 two outs.

Batter hits one to Left Center.

R3 scores no problem.

As R2 rounds 3B and heads home, BR rounds 1B and tries to stretch it into a double.

R2 starts to shut it down before reaching the plate.

BR is out at 2B and because R2 shut it down, he had not touched the plate before the out.

I loudly call the run does not score.

The VTHC asks for an explanation and we discuss it calmly.

While we are discussing the reason for my call some of the parents start to come un-glued.

I really wasn't paying any attention to them.

After I finish my discussion with the VTHC I now hear the TD telling his parents that's enough and advises me and the VTHC that he has now issued a warning to him for his parents action.

As the game progressives they continue to chirp when they don't think a pitch went their way.

About 2 innings later a Parent yells out, Come on Blue, don't take it of of the kids hands.

I call time and call the VTHC over.

Scott the TD already issued you a warning.

I can really careless about the chirping on balls and strikes but the comments about taking the game out of the kids hands will not be tolerated.

I want to keep you in the game. You worked hard this weekend to get here.

I am telling you now, that unless you control your parents the next unsportsmanlike comment will result in two things.

Your ejection and the removal of all the parents from the facility before we resume the game.

He says I understand, speaks with the parents and the game resumes and continues without many other comments.

After the game he apologizes for his parents and thanks us for our hard work in the game.

As we are leaving the field, one mother says, you absolutely suck blue.

I replied, you are correct.

It was all my fault that your team failed to execute routine plays that gave up 5 unearned runs in the First inning causing you to lose 9 - 4.

Oh and BTW, if I counted the run that didn't score, you still lost 9 - 5.

Thank you for support today.

Hot Day, Championship Games late in the afternoon at a Facility that serves beer.

Makes for great parents.

[mstaylor]

I generally just thank you and walk on. Parents are clueless and I try to not get in a pissing match with them. It is a winless battle, nothing you can say is going to change their opinion.

[Thunderheads]

Nahhh....

Sometimes assinine parents need to hear something to make them feel stupid ....... Nice job Lou....

[persong]

I have noticed that Mom's are getting worse when they are fans too. Used to be they would just watch and cheer no matter what. Now, they hear something from a coach or a dad and will not let it go. whether it is right or wrong.

I sometimes wish I could say something to those ignorant fans, but it is best to leave it alone. No good can come of talking to them anyways. If they are yelling and saying those things they have already showed me that they can be MORONS...

[grayhawk]

Nice job Lou. Can't wait to work Chino BLD this weekend!

[cp9]

Just wondering from the initial post; What rules were you playing under where you have the discretion to eject a manager for something a spectator says?

[JaxRolo]

Just wondering from the initial post; What rules were you playing under where you have the discretion to eject a manager for something a spectator says?

I could be wrong but I think it pretty much applies to all rule sets.

I know that in High Schools one of the things we say at the plate meeting is. "Coaches you are responsible for the conduct of your Fans, Players and Assistant coaches"

[JaxRolo]

Nahhh....

Sometimes assinine parents need to hear something to make them feel stupid ....... Nice job Lou....

+1

I try not to comment but sometimes you are tired, maybe in a bad mood. Something that a fan says may strike you the wrong way and you respond. Sometimes you can't help it.

We are always taught to remember that people are just human. Most games are played after working hours. You never know what type of day someone had. This applies to coaches fans and Umpires.

Maybe you had a bad day. Maybe you got Bad news. Many things affect behavior. We have to keep these things in mind when we are on the field.

Just my :2cents:

[Dragon29]

Beer being sold at 13U games? I've not seen that and don't think I'd want to!

As we are leaving the field, one mother says, you absolutely suck blue.

I replied, you are correct.

It was all my fault that your team failed to execute routine plays that gave up 5 unearned runs in the First inning causing you to lose 9 - 4.

Oh and BTW, if I counted the run that didn't score, you still lost 9 - 5.

Thank you for support today.

A few years ago, I had a similar conversation w/a manager threatening to "report me to my assignor" after a game he lost. (One of those stupid tournaments where you have to have the scorecard signed by each manager after the game ends or I'd have been out there like a shot!) I don't recall the exact conversation anymore, but he was blaming me for them having lost the game. In response to one of his questions, I answered, "Yes, it certainly was my fault that the opposing team hit five doubles in a row during the third inning. I'll try to not let that happen again.' and just walked away.

[mstaylor]

Just wondering from the initial post; What rules were you playing under where you have the discretion to eject a manager for something a spectator says?

I could be wrong but I think it pretty much applies to all rule sets.

I know that in High Schools one of the things we say at the plate meeting is. "Coaches you are responsible for the conduct of your Fans, Players and Assistant coaches"

That would be incorrect. We have nothing to say about the fans and coaches can't always control them. If a fan is inciting, getting vulgar or dangerous then you can get game admin to handle it. If needed put the players in the dugout until it is fixed. What you can't do is eject a fan or eject a coach because of his fan. Dixie is the exception to the rule, they do hold coaches responsible.

Edited to add:

The manager is responsible for his players and coaches to a point, but you still aren't going to toss him for his player being an idiot. The cooach can get himself and his manager restricted but that's odd. What is the purpose in saying this at the plate meeting?

[carolinablue]

Beer being sold at 13U games? I've not seen that and don't think I'd want to!

That's exactly what I was thinking. All the youth games around here are alcohol free, unless they show up drunk.

[JaxRolo]

Just wondering from the initial post; What rules were you playing under where you have the discretion to eject a manager for something a spectator says?

I could be wrong but I think it pretty much applies to all rule sets.

I know that in High Schools one of the things we say at the plate meeting is. "Coaches you are responsible for the conduct of your Fans, Players and Assistant coaches"

That would be incorrect. We have nothing to say about the fans and coaches can't always control them. If a fan is inciting, getting vulgar or dangerous then you can get game admin to handle it. If needed put the players in the dugout until it is fixed. What you can't do is eject a fan or eject a coach because of his fan. Dixie is the exception to the rule, they do hold coaches responsible.

Edited to add:

The manager is responsible for his players and coaches to a point, but you still aren't going to toss him for his player being an idiot. The cooach can get himself and his manager restricted but that's odd. What is the purpose in saying this at the plate meeting?

But it is true for FHSAA. We were mandated to say this at the plate meeting and the coaches are held responsible.

[mstaylor]

This not at you Jax but FHSAA does some really stupid things, this is just one.

[Atbrwn]

Sometimes u just can't help saying something 11/12 major game dad is standing at fence o. Third base side just chirping the whole game about balls and strikes usually I don't care but it just rubbed me the wrong this time because even with a stare he would not shut up so in between innings while the pitcher is warming up I lean on the fence next to him and say "you know I think your right" he asks about what and I reply "I can see the strike zone .better from back here I don't need to be behind the plate I wish you had showed me this earlier now I can sell all my gear and just stand back here,oh sorry now the batter is in the box and I can't see anymore maybe I better go back where I was what do u think" no reply from him and I didn't hear anything the rest of the game.I just couldn't help myself I know I shouldn't have but oh well

[poppyfor3]

Amazing!!! But everyone has missed the key point. Drafts or bottles???

[yawetag]

Amazing!!! But everyone has missed the key point. Drafts or bottles???

Crown.

[JaxRolo]

This not at you Jax but FHSAA does some really stupid things, this is just one.

No problem at all. It was one of the POE for last year to try to get better sportsmanship

[semper_fi_72]

Just wondering from the initial post; What rules were you playing under where you have the discretion to eject a manager for something a spectator says?

OBR

It is USSSA rule and policy that managers are responsible for players, coaches and parents.

Also remember TD had already taken initial responsibility and issued the warning for their actions outside the fence.

[semper_fi_72]

Amazing!!! But everyone has missed the key point. Drafts or bottles???

Draft

By the glass or pitcher!!!!!

Always fun when it is a hot day and the parent keeping the book has a cold beer sitting next to them.

[Stan W.]

I generally just thank you and walk on. Parents are clueless and I try to not get in a pissing match with them. It is a winless battle, nothing you can say is going to change their opinion.

Im with Mike here.........anything we say can be used against us, yet they are free to rant......

if I say anything ......I say......."I'm sorry YOU feel that way".............

[Jeff C.]

I had a play last night in a U14 game using Pony rules. Ball thrown out of play and I award the base runner his bases. He NEVER touches second and trots to third. HT coach sees this and yells to appeal when I put the ball back in play. I do and they appeal. "Out". Mom goes ballistic "How can he send him to third and then call him out?! That's not fair! He sucks!". I explain to the VT team coach why the runner is out. He's unhappy but understands the ruling. Sorry Semper for somewhat hi-jacking your thread.

[cp9]

Just wondering from the initial post; What rules were you playing under where you have the discretion to eject a manager for something a spectator says?

OBR

It is USSSA rule and policy that managers are responsible for players, coaches and parents.

Also remember TD had already taken initial responsibility and issued the warning for their actions outside the fence.

Not trying to start an argument or nit-pik, but here is the USSSA rule on ejections:

USSSA Rule

11.02 Any player, coach, manager, sponsor or spectator whose conduct is unbecoming or abusive shall at a minimum be

reprimanded with a warning. If warranted, the offending party shall be ejected from the game at the discretion of the Umpires

and / or the League / Tournament Director.

You can eject the fan, but not a coach for the actions of a fan.

Here is the OBR rule (9.01.D)

Each umpire has authority to disqualify any player, coach, manager or substitute for objecting to decisions or for unsportsmanlike conduct or language, and to eject such disqualified person from the playing field. If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is in progress, the disqualification shall not take effect until no further action is possible in that play.

Doesn't say anything about a spectator.

Once the TD stepped in and warned the spectator, you have every right to suspend the game until the TD removes the offending spectator, but you cannot eject a coach or manager for spectator behavior.

[Atbrwn]

I'm with yawetag crown

[semper_fi_72]

Just wondering from the initial post; What rules were you playing under where you have the discretion to eject a manager for something a spectator says?

OBR

It is USSSA rule and policy that managers are responsible for players, coaches and parents.

Also remember TD had already taken initial responsibility and issued the warning for their actions outside the fence.

Not trying to start an argument or nit-pik, but here is the USSSA rule on ejections:

USSSA Rule

11.02 Any player, coach, manager, sponsor or spectator whose conduct is unbecoming or abusive shall at a minimum be

reprimanded with a warning. If warranted, the offending party shall be ejected from the game at the discretion of the Umpires

and / or the League / Tournament Director.

You can eject the fan, but not a coach for the actions of a fan.

Here is the OBR rule (9.01.D)

Each umpire has authority to disqualify any player, coach, manager or substitute for objecting to decisions or for unsportsmanlike conduct or language, and to eject such disqualified person from the playing field. If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is in progress, the disqualification shall not take effect until no further action is possible in that play.

Doesn't say anything about a spectator.

Once the TD stepped in and warned the spectator, you have every right to suspend the game until the TD removes the offending spectator, but you cannot eject a coach or manager for spectator behavior.

Managers are responsible for the conduct of his players and fans at all times. Managers are subject to ejection if his players or fans are out of control.

The above statement is taken right from the Tournament Rules.