Impending EJ

[Tyennie]

Need your input fellas. do you toss a pitcher who is always throwing his hands up, as in "WTF - Where was that blue" this past weekend we had a guy that was doing just this and then after one pitch he engaged the plate, started his histrionics, shrugging his shoulders throwing up his hands, and yeah there was a guy on first. BALK. (i was BU)

I anticipate seeing this kid (16 yr old) today at sometime in a double header, should i chuck him and let him know his behavior will not be tolerated on the mound, thanks

[Thunderheads]

Need your input fellas. do you toss a pitcher who is always throwing his hands up, as in "WTF - Where was that blue" this past weekend we had a guy that was doing just this and then after one pitch he engaged the plate, started his histrionics, shrugging his shoulders throwing up his hands, and yeah there was a guy on first. BALK. (i was BU)

I anticipate seeing this kid (16 yr old) today at sometime in a double header, should i chuck him and let him know his behavior will not be tolerated on the mound, thanks

Absolutely! Is he actually asking, or saying something...or are they just gestures? If he isn't talking, but you know what he's doing, do this: Tell F2 to call time and to go tell the pitcher to knock off the antics or he's gone, that's his warning .....then brush off the plate and carry on. One little hissy fit, and buh-bye!

ON EDIT: BUT .........don't go looking for it ...let him EJ himself

[mstaylor]

Not right at first but I will tell him to settle it or it will make an early day. If he carries on then he is tossing himself. Hopefully the manager is smart enough to take care of him. Remember to never go looking for an ejection, just don't walk away from it either.

[Tyennie]

Not right at first but I will tell him to settle it or it will make an early day. If he carries on then he is tossing himself. Hopefully the manager is smart enough to take care of him. Remember to never go looking for an ejection, just don't walk away from it either.

Actually had a short talk with his manager during the previously mentioned game, about this same kid trash talking to the other team. Told him to rein in his pitcher's mouth or he would be done. His reply "Well that is just Tommy (name changed) he is always blah blah blah" I told him his pitcher was going to have a short day if he continued.

Also - should I end up dumping this kid, do I "point" him out, or call time, go to the skipper and tell him he needs a new pitcher. We are talking AmLG age baseball. I once heard you should never "demonstratively" toss a youth player, rather go to the manager and covertly remove him. thanks

[Thunderheads]

Not right at first but I will tell him to settle it or it will make an early day. If he carries on then he is tossing himself. Hopefully the manager is smart enough to take care of him. Remember to never go looking for an ejection, just don't walk away from it either.

Actually had a short talk with his manager during the previously mentioned game, about this same kid trash talking to the other team. Told him to rein in his pitcher's mouth or he would be done. His reply "Well that is just Tommy (name changed) he is always blah blah blah" I told him his pitcher was going to have a short day if he continued.

Also - should I end up dumping this kid, do I "point" him out, or call time, go to the skipper and tell him he needs a new pitcher. We are talking AmLG age baseball. I once heard you should never "demonstratively" toss a youth player, rather go to the manager and covertly remove him. thanks

If he's showing you up on the mound and making a scene ....dump him!!

[mstaylor]

When you have a problem with a player, you directly deal with that player. If that player escalates the situation to an ejection, eject him. Not every toss is a big toss, it can be or you can simply tell him he is done. How it is done depends on the situation.

[Mr Umpire]

Not right at first but I will tell him to settle it or it will make an early day. If he carries on then he is tossing himself. Hopefully the manager is smart enough to take care of him. Remember to never go looking for an ejection, just don't walk away from it either.

Actually had a short talk with his manager during the previously mentioned game, about this same kid trash talking to the other team. Told him to rein in his pitcher's mouth or he would be done. His reply "Well that is just Tommy (name changed) he is always blah blah blah" I told him his pitcher was going to have a short day if he continued.

Also - should I end up dumping this kid, do I "point" him out, or call time, go to the skipper and tell him he needs a new pitcher. We are talking AmLG age baseball. I once heard you should never "demonstratively" toss a youth player, rather go to the manager and covertly remove him. thanks

Matter of preference I guess. But, I will call "Time" and simply come out from behind HP and point at him and say "You. You're gone." I am not going over to the coach and let the coach possibly say things I never said. Or misinterpret what I say and relay the message incorrectly. Also, it lets all know he is out of the game so he can go home if his parents want to. This allows me to explain to him why I ejected him and he will learn next time. If I rely on the coach, he may not tell him anything and the kid will do it next time.

I don't go out of my way and yell it out for all the world to hear. But, I will make it known that the behavior will not be tolerated by his successors. If I go to the coach, now, little Johnny doesn't know why the pitcher was removed and may think he can do it too.

[bpate]

15 yrs ago when I was calling, I had a kid tell me that "I needed to be kicked in the head." I made a scene dumping him. Even ensured that he left the field. My point is that some of these kids need a little humility brought into their lives. If you happen to be the one with the honors, don't sweat it, especially if they earn it.

[Tyennie]

Thanks guys, and no i usually do not go looking for ej's. Did have one the other day however.

I think my partner posted this scenario on another board. second game of a dbl header, my BU was the plate ump on the first game (which i did not work -tournament ball, rotating the fun) and had an issue with this same manager in game 1. Anyway R1 gets in a pickle, so the BU has it, I was moving up the line to take first base at the next opportunity. (Realize this is a HTBT), R1 makes a diving sweep slide into first base with his body swinging out towards the outfield, but his hand touching the base. the player with the ball makes a sweep tag but misses, (from my angle no tag) my BU got straight lined, and couldn't see. Since I never called off BU from first base, this is still his call he rings up R1 believing there was a tag. OC goes nuts, asks for help. By this time the players have left the field, partner and i confer, i told him there was no tag. Call is changed, defensive manager goes ballastic, including throwing himself on the ground where he says R1 was out of the baseline. At this point I should have ejected, but i was enjoying the show. So I let him have his rant, ( i let him have A LOT of rope) all the time saying "let's get back to playing ball." The final straw - his comment "We drove 500 miles to get screwed" Now it is an integrity issue. SO LONG

Yes i should have dumped him earlier.

Other question which my partner and i discussed postgame, This is more a mechanics question. In this sitch, I always believe it is best to "get help" first then make a call rather than make a call, and then get help, if needed. As a part of this should I have just kept my mouth shut and let the BU's call stand? Let me have it guys.

[Mr Umpire]

Thanks guys, and no i usually do not go looking for ej's. Did have one the other day however.

I think my partner posted this scenario on another board. second game of a dbl header, my BU was the plate ump on the first game (which i did not work -tournament ball, rotating the fun) and had an issue with this same manager in game 1. Anyway R1 gets in a pickle, so the BU has it, I was moving up the line to take first base at the next opportunity. (Realize this is a HTBT), R1 makes a diving sweep slide into first base with his body swinging out towards the outfield, but his hand touching the base. the player with the ball makes a sweep tag but misses, (from my angle no tag) my BU got straight lined, and couldn't see. Since I never called off BU from first base, this is still his call he rings up R1 believing there was a tag. OC goes nuts, asks for help. By this time the players have left the field, partner and i confer, i told him there was no tag. Call is changed, defensive manager goes ballastic, including throwing himself on the ground where he says R1 was out of the baseline. At this point I should have ejected, but i was enjoying the show. So I let him have his rant, ( i let him have A LOT of rope) all the time saying "let's get back to playing ball." The final straw - his comment "We drove 500 miles to get screwed" Now it is an integrity issue. SO LONG

Yes i should have dumped him earlier.

Other question which my partner and i discussed postgame, This is more a mechanics question. In this sitch, I always believe it is best to "get help" first then make a call rather than make a call, and then get help, if needed. As a part of this should I have just kept my mouth shut and let the BU's call stand? Let me have it guys.

I make my call. I don't know if anyone will even question it. Why am I going to question what I saw if no one else is going to? I would rather make the call and then get help if asked and I deem it necessary. I am not wasting my time or game time to ask for help when no one else was even going to question what I have.

[HokieUmp]

Also - should I end up dumping this kid, do I "point" him out, or call time, go to the skipper and tell him he needs a new pitcher. We are talking AmLG age baseball. I once heard you should never "demonstratively" toss a youth player, rather go to the manager and covertly remove him. thanks

Don't know where you heard that, but I believe that's just not right. In general.

If it's little (and I mean little) dudes, and it's a throwing the bat, or similar - not something where they're being a p--ck, then maybe that holds. But for one thing, you're talking Legion age - they're old enough to get cut off at the knees when needed, and for another, the kid's being a jackass - get rid of him, and make sure everyone knows it ain't no substitution. (The whole "putting his head on a pike, metaphorically" idea.)

[mstaylor]

Also - should I end up dumping this kid, do I "point" him out, or call time, go to the skipper and tell him he needs a new pitcher. We are talking AmLG age baseball. I once heard you should never "demonstratively" toss a youth player, rather go to the manager and covertly remove him. thanks

Don't know where you heard that, but I believe that's just not right. In general.

If it's little (and I mean little) dudes, and it's a throwing the bat, or similar - not something where they're being a p--ck, then maybe that holds. But for one thing, you're talking Legion age - they're old enough to get cut off at the knees when needed, and for another, the kid's being a jackass - get rid of him, and make sure everyone knows it ain't no substitution. (The whole "putting his head on a pike, metaphorically" idea.)

I agree 100%. AL kids are certainly old enough to be responsible for what they say and do. Kids this age want to be treated like men until something happens and then they are kids.

[grayhawk]

Thanks guys, and no i usually do not go looking for ej's. Did have one the other day however.

I think my partner posted this scenario on another board. second game of a dbl header, my BU was the plate ump on the first game (which i did not work -tournament ball, rotating the fun) and had an issue with this same manager in game 1. Anyway R1 gets in a pickle, so the BU has it, I was moving up the line to take first base at the next opportunity. (Realize this is a HTBT), R1 makes a diving sweep slide into first base with his body swinging out towards the outfield, but his hand touching the base. the player with the ball makes a sweep tag but misses, (from my angle no tag) my BU got straight lined, and couldn't see. Since I never called off BU from first base, this is still his call he rings up R1 believing there was a tag. OC goes nuts, asks for help. By this time the players have left the field, partner and i confer, i told him there was no tag. Call is changed, defensive manager goes ballastic, including throwing himself on the ground where he says R1 was out of the baseline. At this point I should have ejected, but i was enjoying the show. So I let him have his rant, ( i let him have A LOT of rope) all the time saying "let's get back to playing ball." The final straw - his comment "We drove 500 miles to get screwed" Now it is an integrity issue. SO LONG

Yes i should have dumped him earlier.

Other question which my partner and i discussed postgame, This is more a mechanics question. In this sitch, I always believe it is best to "get help" first then make a call rather than make a call, and then get help, if needed. As a part of this should I have just kept my mouth shut and let the BU's call stand? Let me have it guys.

Yes, the second he threw himself on the ground, he ejected himself. As to your mechanics question, I like the way you handled it because you never entered the rundown. If you had told him, "Partner, I've got this half," then when the play is made, make eye contact and tell him, "Partner, I've got it." and upon acknowledgement, make your call.

[Cajuncubsfan]

I like the idea of having the catcher go out and tell him to cool it. I was a catcher and had to do that once. A catcher knows his pitchers. Most of the time I have buddy's up with both catchers. If he goes out there and the pitcher kept it up I would do as they said. Call time, step infront of the plate and toss him on his tale. If you let them walk in you they will.

I had a Dixie Majors (High School Summer ball) game Monday night and the team up to bat was our local team where I live and I know most of the kids. There was a walk and the coach had gave him the sign to take second because there was a player on third and they were down by two with one out. I was in the field and the plate umpire called time before he got to first and he didn't know it. When he got to second I made him go back and he smarted off twice to me. I told him " You need to be seen and not heard!" he want back to first. I saw him the next day and stopped him and told him who I was and that I gave him a break. The things he said could have got him tossed. I told him to let his coach smart off to the coaches because that's his job. He understood and I told him it was a mistake on our part and those things happen sometimes.

Rambling on I guess, sorry...

[yawetag]

I saw him the next day and stopped him and told him who I was and that I gave him a break. The things he said could have got him tossed. I told him to let his coach smart off to the coaches because that's his job. He understood and I told him it was a mistake on our part and those things happen sometimes.

I talk to players and coaches as little as possible away from the field.

[Tyennie]

A judicious end to this whole situation. The kid in question never pitched, sore arm and a three day tourney starting on Friday kept him off the hill. The only real problem we had was extra innings in the second game of a dbl hdr. and the lights going off at 10 pm. Needless to say this game took about 3 1/2 hours for nine innings with 30 minutes spent trying to round up someone to turn the freakin lights back on.

[zm1283]

I had this happen in a tournament last weekend. I call a ball and F1 grabs a little dirt on his follow through and flips it to the ground in disgust. I stand there and stare at him for a brief period to see if he decides to continue his pity-party. A pitch or two later, I call a pitch a ball and he takes his had off and kind of throws his head back. I immediately come out to wipe the plate off and tell the catcher "Go tell your pitcher to drop the attitude or he won't be around much longer". He kind of looks at me for a second and I tell him again "Go, now". He has a visit with the pitcher and things were hunky dory the rest of the game.