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  1. I guess my thinking is that if he had kept on veering in his path to the plate that would be INT more than veering once. Maybe because that would be more likely to be interfering with the throw, as opposed to simply running in a spot that makes it more difficult to make the throw. Keep in mind, this is totally different by rule than RLI. In this case there is no runner's lane that he must be in.
  2. Simply running in a spot which makes the throw more difficult is apparently not interference. Does anyone have any ideas what would make it INT? I am sure if R3 had flailed his arms around or suddenly veered towards foul territory it would then be INT.
  3. The umpire did not give the foul tip signal in the video clip. He may have after it cut off. Should he not signal foul tip and then out?
  4. In the house league I umpire in the runners can lead off once the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. They can only steal if the defense makes a play on them. The penalty for leaving early is an out based on umpire judgement on if they were safe because they left early. I always understood on the small diamond that the base ump is outside the diamond when the ball is in the infield and then inside when the ball goes to the outfield.
  5. If I am seeing it right, the catcher in the Rockies Padres video had to reach further into foul territory to actually make the catch. That would say to me that his initial movement toward foul ground was justified as moving toward the throw. It could also mean he should have set up more in foul ground which might have given the runner access to the plate towards fair ground.
  6. If the defense properly appeals the runner leaving 3rd early he will be called out on for an apparent 4th out, which will negate the run scoring. If the defense does not appeal then the run counts. One more thing, different rule sets may specify the time limit for the appeal to take place. In OBR the defense has until the last fielder leaves fair territory. Other codes may be different. There is video in the Close Call Sports section of this forum from a few weeks ago showing this very occurrence.
  7. When F5 steps on third base he still has the tag on R2, who was on the base. That, to me, is still part of the appeal on R2. If F5 even looks toward home and points there while stepping on third base it probably is clear enough of an appeal on R3. The amazing thing in all of this is that nobody got ejected.
  8. I hope I am not hijacking this thread, but here goes. If there is a live action appeal (of course, not on a home run hit out) and the defense throws the ball out of play they CAN still appeal the infraction once the ball is made live if the baserunner has not corrected it. Am I correct?
  9. The 3rd base coach knew the rules, for sure, and recognized what the umpire who called the OBS was calling and signaling. The only thing he had to lose was if they only were placing the runner at 3rd then the out at home would stand. Maybe that was communicated during the action, as well.
  10. I was listening to the game on the radio. The announcers said that OBS/INT are not reviewable. So that answers that. As a Phillies fan I am not sure the umpires got it right. Not sure they got it wrong. That is a hard call to make at full speed with no benefit of replay.
  11. Mussgrass

    Passing runner

    It's similar to batting out of order. The batter who is supposed to have batted is the one called out if it is appealed properly. Not the batter who took jumped into someone else's spot. It doesn't seem fair, but that's how the rule is written.
  12. Doesn't 12U suck! I am so jumpy with a pitcher throwing hard with no control and a catcher that can't. And here comes one up and in!
  13. Also take the situation of R1 (or more runners) and less than 2 outs. A ground ball to F3 and he fields it and steps on 1st and then throws to 2nd. Players are coached to yell "tag" to remind F4 or F6 taking the throw that they need to tag R1 to get the out since the force was removed.
  14. How many games did you work to wear them out that quickly?
  15. What signals do you use with your partner(s) during relaxed action? I am talking about recognizing 1st to third situations, number of outs, I have info for you, etc.
  16. What is the proper mechanic / signal / call if the defense is making a live ball appeal on a runner leaving early if the fielder receiving the throw and tagging the base pulls his foot before he catches the throw? It is of course, not an out. Safe, on the actual appeal, is not quite correct either. Is no call correct? Any signal to show the fielder off the base, kind of like a usual ground ball play on a BR at 1st base? This was at 1st, not that it really matters. Finally, does this void any further appeal attempts? I was asked this at church today regarding a recent slow pitch softball game. I imagine baseball rules would be similar. The Fed verbal appeal would negate needing to do the live ball appeal.
  17. They should have thrown to 2nd to get the force out on R1 on the first play.
  18. I had this very thing happen when I was coaching 14U Fed rules a few years ago when my son played. One of our players forgot to report when he went up to bat as a sub and ended up walking. The opposing team appealed as a BOO. The umpires enforced it as such. They would believe me that it was simply an unreported sub. The kid was even listed as a sub on the lineup I had given the coach. At this level the plate umpire did not keep a copy. My son told me to get myself thrown out. I did not. Later that evening I called the league scheduler, who was also the umpire assignor, about a rainout make up. I mentioned this occurrence to him. He said he would call the umps because they should know better. This is never an out at any level of ball.
  19. If that rule is in place then what happens if a fair ball or a thrown ball gets deflected into foul territory and a fielder chases after it? Legal collisions are going to happen even with rules to prevent collisions.
  20. So, how long is the statute of limitations on an old thread, versus stating a new one?
  21. Does anyone else feel kind of smug when you watch this kind of thing and know the rules, while the announcers, players and coaches all have no clue?
  22. The term for this is a time play. If the runner from 3rd scored before the out on the appeal on R2 was made, then the run counts. The play on R@ is appealing that he left early. It is not a force out.
  23. Are there any umpires on here with mobility issues or physical disabilities? If so, how do you compensate on the field? For the record, in March of last year I suffered a herniated disc in L1 L2 that completely compressed the nerve roots that feed my right leg. I had surgery 1 week after the sneeze that caused it. I had lost a lot of the feeling and function in that leg. The main effects are weakness in my quad and some drop foot and ankle weakness. I cannot run and need to watch my step on rough ground. Some strength nd function are coming back but I don't know if the nerves will fully regrow. I can umpire but I can't cover ground as quickly as I would like to be able to.
  24. Really?! Just suck it up and learn to work with what you got! He can't be that bad!
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