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Well, we were one pitch away from that happening on Monday. If the DM hadn't been so dimwitted as to think you appeal after the next pitch, that's where we would've been.

Understood. But I'm not sure you're following me completely. Let me break it down a little more. B9 bats in B7's spot and walks. B8 comes up next and strikes out. B7 comes to bat and strikes out. The first pitch to B7 legalizes B8's time at bat, meaning the proper batter was B9. If the defensive manager appeals the BOO after B7 completes his turn at bat, B9 should be called out. My question is, since B9 is already on base, would he be removed from the base as well or just called out and left on base? Or, since B9 is already on base, is B1 the proper batter who is called out? :confused:

Rich, I understand it's typically that simple, but in this case, it became much more complex... What about the the second hypothetical, with B9 being called out for BOO, but being on base? Is he left on base or removed?

So my son’s coaches allowed yet another batting out of order (we’ve had at least three this season) last night. I’m the scorekeeper; here’s the situation. The #9 batter leads off the inning in the 7-spot. B9 walks. B8 comes up to bat. B8 strikes out. B7 comes up to bat. B7 strikes out. B1 comes up to bat. Pitcher throws one pitch to B1. Defensive manager comes out to appeal the BOO. At this point, the proper batter is B8, right? There is no out here, just B8 takes B1’s place in the box, assuming the count? And then, should B8 get on base, the proper batter would be B9, but if he’s already on base he’s skipped, correct? I think I’ve got all that figured out, but I wanted to play with a couple of hypotheticals. Suppose, if after B9 walked, B8 and B7 were to reach base (Bases loaded). Then, after one pitch to B1, the defensive manager appeals. The proper batter is B8 - who is skipped because he’s on base, so you’d go to B9, who is also skipped, so you keep B1, correct? Now, suppose after B8 struck out, B7 reached base. Then, the defensive manager appeals the BOO. At this point, B9 was the proper batter, so he is called out. But since he’s on base, is he removed from the bases as well? The really stupid part is, I found out after the game that the coaches realized almost immediately (before B9 took a pitch) they were batting out of order but didn’t want to say anything because they thought he would be out. So instead they just compounded the problem…

I believe this is illegal in USSSA, but I'm not sure on that. I have had coaches argue this is illegal in LL games, but it is not. I've been told this is a carry-over from travel, most likely USSSA.

Easy DP. No obstruction, no interference; just a train wreck at home. In fact, OBR has a comment specifically addressing this type of situation - 7.09(j).

I haven't seen the 3n2 bag. Anybody have a link?

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He's not out. You can eject him, but only after play is completed and then a substitute would take his place.

Little League Rules Instruction Manual. It's the official interpretations for LL.

+1 That kid riding the bench usually seems more than happy to stay there on the bench - hence his bench-riding to begin with...

That's even dumber than the liability/insurance reason... I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying, if that's the case, it's an even dumber rule than I thought.:rolleyes:

What's there to say? Nobody else heard him. He's walking away from you, so you'd have to chase him down to talk to him. You have no idea what he was talking about, but a pretty good hunch it wasn't about you. So you're going to chase him down - or talk loudly at him - to figure out that he wasn't talking to you? And then you look like the agressor for nothing. No thanks... You handled it the right way.

In 2009, which was when I started umpiring, I worked about 55 games. Last year, I did 78. This year, I'm already at 38, which is all in the last two months. I'm expecting to do around 100-120 this year.

In FED, this is a immediate dead ball with a 2 base award. 8-3-3-c Not sure on OBR, but I believe it's the same.

The only rule book I've seen that specifically addresses this is USSSA Fast Pitch SB. They say to correct it immediately. That would be my inclination, but absent that rule protection, you're setting yourself up for a coach throwing a hissy fit, at a minimum.

It depends on your rule set. In FED, you wait until all playing action is complete and then you award bases. In LL, the rule on Type B OBS reads, "the play shall proceed until no further action is possible", but the RIM gives a casebook play where R1 is obstructed by the SS and then gets thrown out at 3rd (your exact play). They say call time as soon as the play at 3rd happens, irrespective of other potential plays. OBR does not comment specifically on this, so I'd be interested in an official interpretation, but it seems I've read the same thing for OBR in other discussions on this board.

Yes, but that only goes back to the previous inning, correct? It wouldn't go all the way back to the first inning to break the tie, would it? Correct. That rule only applies if the visiting team ties the game or takes the lead in the top of the last inning and the home team does not have the opportunity to either take the lead back or complete their ABs. Going back to previous innings is just stupid, in my opinion...

Sounds like he's trying to apply the LL rule (4.11(d))where score reverts to the previous inning, if a game has to be called and the visitors tie it or take the lead in an inning that the home team does get to complete their ABs (And he didn't even get that rule right). It's a painful rule and one they changed for tournament play because of these very types of situations. But it's not a FED rule...

I've used boot laces for the last year with NO problems. Edit: Sorry, edited it to say "No Problems", since the original post conveyed the exact opposite of my intention...:rolleyes:

Once he enters dead ball territory (the dugout) he's got to be out, doesn't he? I mean, you can't come out of the dugout to touch a base...

The video shows why you don't look at the ball, you look at the fielder.

No play (or even attempted play) = no interference. What did this confused on-deck batter interfere with? If he hindered the defensive players, then you may have a case. But especially at the lower levels, I'm not calling a kid out if he's not getting in the middle of things. Now, explaining that he needs to stay away from any potential plays seems like a good idea, but calling out the runner for his non-interference is too much. DYB stands for what - Dixie Youth Ball? How old are your minors?

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Based on what? Maximizing the Two Umpire System has all overthrows belonging to the PU and that's all I've ever heard. Has this changed in the Pro Schools?