Coach Interference??

[Ump61]

Hello folks,

Been lurking for a while and thought I would jump in with a post.

I notice a lot of rule discussion so I will throw one at you..

OBR ruleset

The batter hits what appears to be an extra base hit down the left field foul line. As the batter rounds first, he stumbles and injures his leg. The first base coach grabs the batter's hand and helps him get back to first. Since the coach did not push him toward the next base, the umpire rules that the batter should be allowed to stay at first base.

My thought is injury overrules coach intereference.

All opinions appreciated

[JaxRolo]

I'm ok with that but my question is why is a coach trying to get an injured player up? Leave him alone

[Mr Umpire]

Age level may come into play on this and severity of the injury.

However, minus the age thing, it is INT and BR is out. I hate it but sometimes we have to umpire over our feelings/morals.

[Rich Ives]

Hello folks,

Been lurking for a while and thought I would jump in with a post.

I notice a lot of rule discussion so I will throw one at you..

OBR ruleset

The batter hits what appears to be an extra base hit down the left field foul line. As the batter rounds first, he stumbles and injures his leg. The first base coach grabs the batter's hand and helps him get back to first. Since the coach did not push him toward the next base, the umpire rules that the batter should be allowed to stay at first base.

My thought is injury overrules coach intereference.

All opinions appreciated

The umpires were wrong. The defense was deprived of an opportunity to get an out because the runner was helped to a safe spot on the base.

7.09

(h) In the judgment of the umpire, the base coach at third base, or first base, by touching or holding the runner, physically assists him in returning to or leaving third base or first base.

[NovaScotiaBlue]

Hello folks,

Been lurking for a while and thought I would jump in with a post.

I notice a lot of rule discussion so I will throw one at you..

OBR ruleset

The batter hits what appears to be an extra base hit down the left field foul line. As the batter rounds first, he stumbles and injures his leg. The first base coach grabs the batter's hand and helps him get back to first. Since the coach did not push him toward the next base, the umpire rules that the batter should be allowed to stay at first base.

My thought is injury overrules coach intereference.

All opinions appreciated

The umpires were wrong. The defense was deprived of an opportunity to get an out because the runner was helped to a safe spot on the base.

7.09

(h) In the judgment of the umpire, the base coach at third base, or first base, by touching or holding the runner, physically assists him in returning to or leaving third base or first base.

I know it was mentioned in the OP...Would the injury factor not have an impact at all??

[noumpere]

I know it was mentioned in the OP...Would the injury factor not have an impact at all??

Not in the call. Its an out as rich said. If the player is seriously injured then of course let the coach administer to the player but its still an out.

[TommyUmp]

Let's say a runner was on 2nd. Coach interferes with BR - is the play immediately dead, runner out, and R2 returned to 2nd, or is this a delayed dead ball?

[Thunderheads]

Let's say a runner was on 2nd. Coach interferes with BR - is the play immediately dead, runner out, and R2 returned to 2nd, or is this a delayed dead ball?

the offense is being punished, ...BR out, runners return ...I'd assume.....

[mstaylor]

The runner is called out but the ball stays live if there are other runners.

I had a crew call me last year, kid one hops the fence but pulled a hamstring coming out of the box. The two runners both scored and then they tagged the BR out. This is exactly how it should be called.

The only difference in your case was the out was from coach interference.

[noumpere]

the offense is being punished, ...BR out, runners return ...I'd assume.....

Incorrect assumption the ball remains live until play stops and the rest of the play stands.

[Thunderheads]

the offense is being punished, ...BR out, runners return ...I'd assume.....

Incorrect assumption the ball remains live until play stops and the rest of the play stands.

That's why I'm here ........thanks guys .........

[sdix00]

the offense is being punished, ...BR out, runners return ...I'd assume.....

Incorrect assumption the ball remains live until play stops and the rest of the play stands.

Where does it say this? This is what I have:

7.09 It is interference by a batter or a runner when—

(h) In the judgment of the umpire, the base coach at third base, or first base, by touching

or holding the runner, physically assists him in returning to or leaving third base or

first base.

PENALTY FOR INTERFERENCE: The runner is out and the ball is dead.

[mstaylor]

the offense is being punished, ...BR out, runners return ...I'd assume.....

Incorrect assumption the ball remains live until play stops and the rest of the play stands.

Where does it say this? This is what I have:

7.09 It is interference by a batter or a runner when—

(h) In the judgment of the umpire, the base coach at third base, or first base, by touching

or holding the runner, physically assists him in returning to or leaving third base or

first base.

PENALTY FOR INTERFERENCE: The runner is out and the ball is dead.

According to the 2010 RIM you are correct. I will investigate further because I was sure it was left live. I know that it is live on detached equipment, I may be thinking they both were left live.

[Mr Umpire]

Where does it say this? This is what I have:

7.09 It is interference by a batter or a runner when—

(h) In the judgment of the umpire, the base coach at third base, or first base, by touching

or holding the runner, physically assists him in returning to or leaving third base or

first base.

PENALTY FOR INTERFERENCE: The runner is out and the ball is dead.

According to the 2010 RIM you are correct. I will investigate further because I was sure it was left live. I know that it is live on detached equipment, I may be thinking they both were left live.

I thought the same but can't find any reference to the contrary. However, I find its heading odd b/c this is not INT by a batter or a runner. It is INT by a coach. But, I was sure I have seen something to say the ball is live. MLBUM does not address it so I will have to look else where.

[Mr Umpire]

NCAA says for 3-3-e (which is for coach assistance), it is a delayed dead ball.

[Fittske24]

The NCAA rule book(3-3-e) says a delayed dead ball should be called. At the conclusion of the play, the "assisted" runner shallbe declared out.

[sdix00]

The NCAA rule book(3-3-e) says a delayed dead ball should be called. At the conclusion of the play, the "assisted" runner shallbe declared out.

Correct. Also in FED, 3-2-2, ball is delayed dead and runners stay at bases at the time of interference.

OBR seems to be the only code that kills the ball, in the rules anyway...

[Rich Ives]

Incorrect assumption the ball remains live until play stops and the rest of the play stands.

Where does it say this? This is what I have:

7.09 It is interference by a batter or a runner when—

(h) In the judgment of the umpire, the base coach at third base, or first base, by touching

or holding the runner, physically assists him in returning to or leaving third base or

first base.

PENALTY FOR INTERFERENCE: The runner is out and the ball is dead.

According to the 2010 RIM you are correct. I will investigate further because I was sure it was left live. I know that it is live on detached equipment, I may be thinking they both were left live.

Verily thou art reading something incorrectly

2010 RIM Bottom of page 64:

Comment: When a play is being made on the assisted runner, the umpire shall call "Time" and enforce the penalty: The runner is out and all runners return to the bases occupied at the time of the interference. If no play is being made on the assisted runner, the umpire shall signal that the runner is out and allow plays on other runners if possible (delayed dead ball).

2011 RIM Middle of page 58:

Comment: When a play is being made on the assisted runner, the umpire shall call "Time" and enforce the penalty: The runner is out and all runners return to the bases occupied at the time of the interference. If no play is being made on the assisted runner, the umpire shall signal that the runner is out and allow plays on other runners if possible (delayed dead ball).

It's called the same way in OBR but I can't find the documentation at the moment.

OK

JEA:

When a play is being made on the assisted runner, the umpire should call "Time" and enforce the penalty. The runner is out and all runners return to the bases occupied at the time of the interference (assistance).

If no play is being made on the assisted runner, the umpire shall signal that the runner is out and allow the ball to remain alive. This enforcement principle permits the defensive team to make plays on other runners if possible.

[sdix00]

Verily thou art reading something incorrectly

2010 RIM Bottom of page 64:

Comment: When a play is being made on the assisted runner, the umpire shall call "Time" and enforce the penalty: The runner is out and all runners return to the bases occupied at the time of the interference. If no play is being made on the assisted runner, the umpire shall signal that the runner is out and allow plays on other runners if possible (delayed dead ball).

2011 RIM Middle of page 58:

Comment: When a play is being made on the assisted runner, the umpire shall call "Time" and enforce the penalty: The runner is out and all runners return to the bases occupied at the time of the interference. If no play is being made on the assisted runner, the umpire shall signal that the runner is out and allow plays on other runners if possible (delayed dead ball).

It's called the same way in OBR but I can't find the documentation at the moment.

So, for Coach's INT we now have a new term. Type A and Type B

[Rich Ives]

So, for Coach's INT we now have a new term. Type A and Type B

Steve - the reason there are so many interpretation manuals "out there" including the official ones is because the wording in the rule book doesn't always mean exactly what it says. Rather than fighting it, get the manuals and absorb them.

If you can't find a MLBUM get the PBUC - it's virtually identical.

If you do LL get the RIM.

Get J/R - rulesof baseball.com

Check your e-mail

KEEP CURRENT - things get updated and revised every year.

[sdix00]

Not fighting anything. Just seems impossible to get it all straight sometimes.

[yawetag]

I had a crew call me last year, kid one hops the fence but pulled a hamstring coming out of the box. The two runners both scored and then they tagged the BR out. This is exactly how it should be called.

Mike, are you saying the batter was awarded two bases because the batted ball went over a fence after bouncing in fair territory? If so, wouldn't an injured player be allowed to have a sub complete the award for him?

[jnazz]

Ump61 are you a Baseball Canada guy? I had a nearly identical question on my Level 4 exam.

[Rich Ives]

I had a crew call me last year, kid one hops the fence but pulled a hamstring coming out of the box. The two runners both scored and then they tagged the BR out. This is exactly how it should be called.

Mike, are you saying the batter was awarded two bases because the batted ball went over a fence after bouncing in fair territory? If so, wouldn't an injured player be allowed to have a sub complete the award for him?

He didn't say it went over. In coach-speak "one hops the fence" just means it hit the fence on one bounce.

[TXUmp77]

whats RIM cant figure out what that is