NFHS: Opposing team visiting with players during injury timeout? Legal or illegal?

[afcapt03]

Is the opposing team allowed to visit with their team during an injury timeout? If no, what rule #? 

Many thanks in advance.

Erik

[Richvee]

You will not find a rule. Why even look to pick a booger here. What if the injury is severe and we're waiting on a ambulance? 

[dumbdumb]

1 hour ago, Richvee said:

You will not find a rule. Why even look to pick a booger here. What if the injury is severe and we're waiting on a ambulance? 

fraternization after an hour before the game due to gambling rules

[noumpere]

10 minutes ago, dumbdumb said:

fraternization after an hour before the game due to gambling rules

1) that’s an OBR guideline; OP asked about FED. 
 

2) usually ignored even in MLb and should be ignored at the levels we do under OBR. 
 

3) I think even a visit to the pitcher does NOT count as a charged visit in FED in this situation. 

[afcapt03]

6 hours ago, Richvee said:

You will not find a rule. Why even look to pick a booger here. What if the injury is severe and we're waiting on a ambulance? 

I didn't. HC from the injured team was upset when I allowed it and the HC suggested it was in the rule book that the opposing team wasn't allowed to do that and should be charged a conference. I conferred with my partner and he had no recollection of that either.

4 hours ago, noumpere said:

1) that’s an OBR guideline; OP asked about FED. 
 

2) usually ignored even in MLb and should be ignored at the levels we do under OBR. 
 

3) I think even a visit to the pitcher does NOT count as a charged visit in FED in this situation. 

 

[NavyBlue]

Use NFHS rule 3-4-5 to allow this.  This rule is for charged conferences, but it's the same principle.

[maven]

Fraternization is fine.

Antagonization is not.

[Richvee]

7 hours ago, afcapt03 said:

I allowed it and the HC suggested it was in the rule book that the opposing team wasn't allowed to do that and should be charged a conference

Tell him to worry about his injured player and not what the other team is doing during that time. 

[MadMax]

10 hours ago, afcapt03 said:

HC from the injured team was upset when I allowed it and the HC suggested it was in the rule book that the opposing team wasn't allowed to do that and should be charged a conference

He’s (HCIQ) got a point. I think this needs to be adjudged reflective of the injury & its severity (ie. amount of attention to it). 

If that F1 plunks a Batter, and the Batter spends the typical amount of time getting “looked at” by 1BC, wincing and stretching and wincing some more, and the DTHC wants to come out and talk with his F1, I (as umpire) am absolutely going to charge him a conference… unless of course, he’s going to switch the erratic F1 afterall… at which point, I’ll green-light that, and then head over to check on the injured Batter/Batter-Runner, and notify (if needed) the OT staff that, if you want to take said BR to the dugout to be attended to, go ahead… now’s the time to do so. If it’s necessary to sub him, just let us know when new pitcher has completed his warmups. 

Injuries to other Runners, or to fielders other than the pitcher, I will sort of rodeo-clown the pitcher away from coach(es). 

Now, for more serious injuries, such as ones where we need field access by First Responders, or a vehicle, I will (and have) advocate for bringing the players – runners and fielders – off the field, at least so they’re near or in their dugouts. Who-talks-to-who, or if a pitcher talks with his coaching staff, is not my concern or focus. Our (coaches & umpires) focus should be on the safety of the affected player, and the expeditious, effective access of First Responders to attend to the affected player, and getting them off the field. Once off the field, we (umpires) will promptly put the players back in place, and go from there. 

[Richvee]

47 minutes ago, MadMax said:

He’s (HCIQ) got a point. I think this needs to be adjudged reflective of the injury & its severity (ie. amount of attention to it). 

If that F1 plunks a Batter, and the Batter spends the typical amount of time getting “looked at” by 1BC, wincing and stretching and wincing some more, and the DTHC wants to come out and talk with his F1, I (as umpire) am absolutely going to charge him a conference… unless of course, he’s going to switch the erratic F1 afterall… at which point, I’ll green-light that, and then head over to check on the injured Batter/Batter-Runner, and notify (if needed) the OT staff that, if you want to take said BR to the dugout to be attended to, go ahead… now’s the time to do so. If it’s necessary to sub him, just let us know when new pitcher has completed his warmups. 

Injuries to other Runners, or to fielders other than the pitcher, I will sort of rodeo-clown the pitcher away from coach(es). 

Now, for more serious injuries, such as ones where we need field access by First Responders, or a vehicle, I will (and have) advocate for bringing the players – runners and fielders – off the field, at least so they’re near or in their dugouts. Who-talks-to-who, or if a pitcher talks with his coaching staff, is not my concern or focus. Our (coaches & umpires) focus should be on the safety of the affected player, and the expeditious, effective access of First Responders to attend to the affected player, and getting them off the field. Once off the field, we (umpires) will promptly put the players back in place, and go from there. 

I must admit, I wasn’t thinking about when a batter is walking off the foul off a shin, or a runner tweaks something getting back to a bag and wants to take a quick jog. Yeah, I agree a charged conference could be in order. 

[SeeingEyeDog]

I would also like to consider the opposite of this...when a defensive player gets injured, I will hover close enough to the defensive's coach's conference so that I can overhear the conversation. If it's all completely related to the injury, when their huddle breaks, I will signal safe and say, "No visit..." and then tell that coach how many visits he has left.

If however, the coach uses that injury to ALSO discuss strategy or otherwise coach a player or players, then I will charge a visit...unless of course F1 is substituted for.

~Dawg

[afcapt03]

10 hours ago, maven said:

Fraternization is fine.

Antagonization is not.

The non-injured team wasn't antagonizing anyone.

[afcapt03]

To clarify the situation, 

Batter hits ball to F5. F5's throw is up the line where F3 makes the catch and on a swipe tag knocks the air out of the now B-R. B-R goes to the ground and struggles to get back up. No ambulance needed or first responder intervention required. During this extended injury timeout, DTHC asks if can converse with his team during the injury TO. He goes to the baseline (pretty far from the injured player) and calls his team over for the conversation. Everyone returns as the injury TO concludes (HC & B-R walking back to their 3B dugout).

[noumpere]

The “visit” rules, on both offense and defense, are “delay” rules. In FED, once one team causes a “delay,” the other team can use that delay. If the second team continues to “delay” then it gets charged.
 

OBR and NCAA have different specifics on this.