Is it an earned run.

[Jdk19]

HBP Double HBP to load bases.  Pop fly to Left Run scores. P strikes out side to end inning.  Was scored unearned then reversed.  NCAA

[Velho]

How did the first runner get on base? The 'Pop fly to Left" wasn't caught? Was it ruled an error?

What game was this in?

[MadMax]

I'm not a scorekeeper.

 

I'd have to change my business cards if I was...

Anyway... My guess is that since the pitcher (Peterson, let's say) is the one who put 2 Runners aboard by HBP, any runs scored aside from Error, go against his ERA. If Peterson had 2 HBP, but then a relief pitcher is brought in (Paulino, let's say), then any runs scored (aside from Error, again) wouldn't go against Paulino's ERA. 

That's my guess. 

If you're the one whose pitches load the bases, then you're wearin' the cone of shame. 

1 minute ago, Velho said:

How did the first runner get on base? The 'Pop fly to Left" wasn't caught? Was it ruled an error?

Our new question-poser didn't separate the participants well. 

- HBP (R1)
- Double (R2, R3)
- HBP (R1, R2, R3)
- Sac Fly F7, scoring R3 (R1, R2, 1 out)
- K (2 out)
- K (3 out)

[SeeingEyeDog]

@Jdk19, from the glossary at MLB.com...

An earned run is any run that scores against a pitcher without the benefit of an error or a passed ball. Often, it is the judgment of the official scorer as to whether a specific run would've scored without the defensive mishap. If a pitcher exits a game with runners on base, any earned runs scored by those runners will count against him.

~Dawg

[Richvee]

Easiest way to score earned/unearned is to reconstruct the inning without  the errors and passed balls. Score errors as outs, and don’t move up runners on PB’s. Once the third out “would” have happened, anything that happens after is unearned. 

[Coach Carl]

Rule 10-22  Earned Run

a. An earned run shall be charged against a pitcher when a runner scores because of a safe hit, sacrifice hit, sacrifice fly, stolen base, putout, fielder’s choice, base on balls, hit batter, balk or wild pitch (even when the wild pitch is a third strike), provided that in each case it is before the defensive team has had an opportunity to make a third putout.

Note: In determining earned runs, the scorer shall reconstruct the inning as if there were no errors or passed balls. Give the pitcher the benefit of the doubt in determining the advancement of runners, had the defensive team been errorless.

[Velho]

At least earned runs gets HBP right. WHIP sure doesn't.

8 hours ago, MadMax said:

8 hours ago, Velho said:

How did the first runner get on base? The 'Pop fly to Left" wasn't caught? Was it ruled an error?

Our new question-poser didn't separate the participants well. 

- HBP (R1)
- Double (R2, R3)
- HBP (R1, R2, R3)

Thanks. For whatever reason I read it as HBP and another HBP.

[SeeingEyeDog]

@Velho, sorry...I think you may have put the wrong em-PHA-sis on the wrong sy-LLAB-le...

~Dawg

[Velho]

1 hour ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

sorry...I think you may have put the wrong em-PHA-sis on the wrong sy-LLAB-le...

 

[beerguy55]

On 2/28/2025 at 9:35 PM, Jdk19 said:

HBP Double HBP to load bases.  Pop fly to Left Run scores. P strikes out side to end inning.  Was scored unearned then reversed.  NCAA

HBP is treated no differently than a BB for the purposes of earned vs earned runs.

This is an earned run in every rule set of baseball and softball.

 

Even a passed ball or an error doesn't "automatically" make a run unearned.  Eg. leadoff batter walks, passed ball, runner to second...F2 makes an inadvisable throw anyway and throws into outfield, runner now on third due to a PB and an error.  If batter hits a sac fly, it's unearned...but if he hits a homerun...that's two earned runs.   That is, an error that allows a runner to advance, rather than turns an out into a safe, won't always absolve the pitcher of an earned run.