possible dings

[dumbdumb]

will the hidden ball trick, which was not protested last week (some umpires live with the angels), or this situation handling keep these umpires out of post season assignments? since any play and pitch from day 1 might keep a team out of post season, is it fair to give umpires an early season pass on early season dings versus late season dings. not fair, since everything is set up to matter like it is life and death and is the seventh game of the world series that starts from pitch one. it is only fair to all umpires if everything counts from day 1, pitch one, not that only things later, at some arbitrary point count more, and early mistakes get forgiven, unless that is put in as a rule for all to know and see in writing.

 watch the first video of the home run and then the second video

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/college-ump-ripped-for-his-move-right-after-tennessee-hitter-s-huge-grand-slam/ar-AA1zCw2m?ocid=BingNewsSerp&cvid=3d902c5e34e84096a8cf726823c74f78&ei=32

 

[Velho]

 

 

[grayhawk]

I wonder if the umpires that allowed the HBT will get "dinged" for post season. One of them was a WS umpire last season so he might not be up for it again this year anyway, but will it prevent him from getting a regional or super? I would hope something like this wouldn't be the overriding factor if he has an otherwise superb season.

Not sure why you're linking the video of Manny doing exactly what is expected of him by instructing the batter to get moving. The "uproar" on X on this is so F*#King ridiculous, I just can't even. Complete morons that have no clue how the college game is different from MLB.

Would people that complain about this have a problem if a college football player spiked the ball after a touchdown and got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty? "Come on Ref! You're just making it all about YOU! Let the kids have some fun!"

SMMFH

[johnnyg08]

15 hours ago, dumbdumb said:

will the hidden ball trick, which was not protested last week (some umpires live with the angels), or this situation handling keep these umpires out of post season assignments? since any play and pitch from day 1 might keep a team out of post season, is it fair to give umpires an early season pass on early season dings versus late season dings. not fair, since everything is set up to matter like it is life and death and is the seventh game of the world series that starts from pitch one. it is only fair to all umpires if everything counts from day 1, pitch one, not that only things later, at some arbitrary point count more, and early mistakes get forgiven, unless that is put in as a rule for all to know and see in writing.

 watch the first video of the home run and then the second video

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/college-ump-ripped-for-his-move-right-after-tennessee-hitter-s-huge-grand-slam/ar-AA1zCw2m?ocid=BingNewsSerp&cvid=3d902c5e34e84096a8cf726823c74f78&ei=32

 

I think the rules are different for different umpires and I don't necessarily disagree with that approach even though the HBT snafu is about as bad as it gets, esp for a four umpire crew of that stature.

Mistakes happen. That being said...I think that if this was later in the season with a spot in a regional on the ine that a coach would come out and make a bit of a stink, the crew would get together and they would have gotten it right. 

 

[Velho]

10 hours ago, grayhawk said:

Would people that complain about this have a problem if a college football player spiked the ball after a touchdown and got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty? "Come on Ref! You're just making it all about YOU! Let the kids have some fun!"

I feel where you're going but gotta throw a flag on that example because that is exactly what people say.

[grayhawk]

8 minutes ago, Velho said:

I feel where you're going but gotta throw a flag on that example because that is exactly what people say.

Not in my specific example. You know why? Because college football players don't spike the ball! They KNOW what will happen when they do.

This is why baseball is, BY FAR, the most difficult sport to manage. We don't have a 15 yard penalty, a technical foul, or a penalty box to enforce sportsmanship. All we have are warnings and ejections. Other sports have traffic tickets and all we have is the death penalty.

[Richvee]

11 hours ago, grayhawk said:

Not sure why you're linking the video of Manny doing exactly what is expected of him by instructing the batter to get moving. The "uproar" on X on this is so F*#King ridiculous, I just can't even. Complete morons that have no clue how the college game is different from MLB.

Not only doing what NCAA wants, but a fantastic job of preventive umpiring. It probably kept tempers from flaring AND could very well have kept this kid in the game and avoided a suspension. 

[johnnyg08]

3 hours ago, grayhawk said:

death penalty.

I understand the point you're wanting to make...but an ejection is definitely not the death penalty and that's where I think we all go wrong (me too) with not ejecting when we should. I think we all leave some on the table. 

Mark it down...get a reputation for not tolerating that type of behavior and your games will improve. 

[zoops]

NCAA was on a big kick about us nipping "pimping" home runs in the bud a few years ago, so no issue with what the umpire did here.  No different than fb officials running in when a td is scored to tell the kids to keep the celebration under control.  General public just doesn't get it of course.  A couple years ago I saw a video where a guy was ripping a college umpire for coming to the foul line to talk about a controversial call with a coach (which is what the NCAA requires), saying that he should never walk towards a coach to engage him.  Oh well, just gotta deal with it I guess.

[grayhawk]

2 hours ago, johnnyg08 said:

I understand the point you're wanting to make...but an ejection is definitely not the death penalty and that's where I think we all go wrong (me too) with not ejecting when we should. I think we all leave some on the table. 

Mark it down...get a reputation for not tolerating that type of behavior and your games will improve. 

They can't play in the rest of that game (and maybe 1 or more following games depending on who and the nature of the ejection.). Compare that to a 15 yard penalty, 2 free throws or a 2 minute penalty in hockey. You take your medicine and move on, but you still get to play. The threshold does need to be higher for an ejection, so that's why game management is so crucial in baseball.

[johnnyg08]

33 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

The threshold does need to be higher for an ejection

It absolutely does..but when the time comes we need to try to not miss it. So they have to sit out the next game. That is not a death penalty. It also sends a message to every other participant to make better choices out there. 

[The Man in Blue]

21 hours ago, grayhawk said:

Complete morons that have no clue how the college game is different from MLB.

Would people that complain about this have a problem if a college football player spiked the ball after a touchdown and got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty? "Come on Ref! You're just making it all about YOU! Let the kids have some fun!"

SMMFH

 

I'm glad you offered a football example right after, as this is the observation I was going to make:

No, the average fan does not BECAUSE the college game is essentially the minor leagues for basketball and football, so the average fan expects baseball to be the same.