Runner hit by batter ball

[Guest Lexi]

Top 3. Bases loaded, 0 out (baseball)

B4 hits a high chopper over the outstretched glove of F3, which hits R1.

Rule 7.08(f) says the runner is out if hit by a batter ball before it is touched by or passes an infielder other than the pitcher. In this case, it did pass F3 before hitting the runner.

What's the call?

[Lou B]

One thing that can affect the answer is: did F4 have a play on the ball?

[Jimurray]

2 hours ago, Guest Lexi said:

Top 3. Bases loaded, 0 out (baseball)

B4 hits a high chopper over the outstretched glove of F3, which hits R1.

Rule 7.08(f) says the runner is out if hit by a batter ball before it is touched by or passes an infielder other than the pitcher. In this case, it did pass F3 before hitting the runner.

What's the call?

Depends, at the professional level a normal positioned F4 would be deemed to have a play after the ball went thru or by F3. He would be out. At other levels you would have to judge wether any other infielder had a play on that ball.

 

[BigVic69]

Did he really have a play on the ball?  Not unless he had rockets in his shoes, eh?

This will be a judgement call by the umpire as to the playability of another fielder on the ball.

If a base runner is hit by a fair-batted ball while standing on a base, the runner is out, unless the ball has already passed an infielder or the infield fly rule has been declared. The base is not a sanctuary.

[Jimurray]

5 minutes ago, BigVic69 said:

Did he really have a play on the ball?  Not unless he had rockets in his shoes, eh?

This will be a judgement call by the umpire as to the playability of another fielder on the ball.

If a base runner is hit by a fair-batted ball while standing on a base, the runner is out, unless the ball has already passed an infielder or the infield fly rule has been declared. The base is not a sanctuary.

Your second paragraph is relevant. 

[noumpere]

11 hours ago, Guest Lexi said:

Top 3. Bases loaded, 0 out (baseball)

B4 hits a high chopper over the outstretched glove of F3, which hits R1.

Rule 7.08(f) says the runner is out if hit by a batter ball before it is touched by or passes an infielder other than the pitcher. In this case, it did pass F3 before hitting the runner.

What's the call?

7.08(f) is (I think) now 5.08(7) in OBR (although there are other rules relating to dead ball and when a batter becomes a runner that have similar wording), and it includes a statement you left out:

(7) He is touched by a fair ball in fair territory before the ball
has gone through, or by, an infielder and no other in -
fielder has a chance to make a play on the ball.

And, on a high-chopper that hits R1, the ball was *probably* to F3's right so at most levels F4 would have a play.

 

[stkjock]

[Jimurray]

17 minutes ago, stkjock said:

That’s a good example when fielders are playing in. The OP doesn’t specify but with bases loaded they could be in or normal. That pub you took the diagram from should have one with the ball going thru or by F3 with F4 normal. It should have R1 out. 

[stkjock]

On 9/27/2020 at 3:03 PM, Jimurray said:

That’s a good example when fielders are playing in. The OP doesn’t specify but with bases loaded they could be in or normal. That pub you took the diagram from should have one with the ball going thru or by F3 with F4 normal. It should have R1 out. 

I created the diagram and it really doesn't matter where the fielders are playing does it, as long as the positions are relative to how they are placed in the image. 

[Jimurray]

24 minutes ago, stkjock said:

I created the diagram and it really doesn't matter where the fielders are playing does it, as long as the positions are relative to how they are placed in the image. 

Where the fielders are playing does matter when a runner is hit by a batted ball. In your diagram where the Xs are also would matter. Corners in and F4, F6 back would have R2 out. If you create a diagram for the OP the red line batted ball should be near F3 with R1 behind him. There would be different calls depending on where you position the X for F4.

[noumpere]

1 hour ago, stkjock said:

I created the diagram and it really doesn't matter where the fielders are playing does it, as long as the positions are relative to how they are placed in the image. 

It might under certain rules codes.

[stkjock]

37 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

Where the fielders are playing does matter when a runner is hit by a batted ball. In your diagram where the Xs are also would matter. Corners in and F4, F6 back would have R2 out. If you create a diagram for the OP the red line batted ball should be near F3 with R1 behind him. There would be different calls depending on where you position the X for F4.

that diagram has been on the site for two years, however, I guess I need to be more clear, if all the positions (fielders and runners) were moved back 15, 20 or 30 feet, wouldn't the calls be the same?   the relative position for the fielder to the runner remains the same, just their positions on the infield is shifted 

[Jimurray]

6 minutes ago, stkjock said:

that diagram has been on the site for two years, however, I guess I need to be more clear, if all the positions (fielders and runners) were moved back 15, 20 or 30 feet, wouldn't the calls be the same?   the relative position for the fielder to the runner remains the same, just their positions on the infield is shifted 

If you maintain the same relative position that would be the case except it would not be a normal runner position if you moved the fielders and the runners. 

 

[aaluck]

3 hours ago, stkjock said:

I created the diagram and it really doesn't matter where the fielders are playing does it, as long as the positions are relative to how they are placed in the image.

Maybe I'm missing something... I wouldn't have interference on either runner in the diagram.  I see the ball well past F3/4 for R1.

[stkjock]

1 minute ago, aaluck said:

Maybe I'm missing something... I wouldn't have interference on either runner in the diagram.  I see the ball well past F3/4 for R1.

IIRC, it hinges on the wording of "through or by" in the rule and interps 

[noumpere]

50 minutes ago, aaluck said:

Maybe I'm missing something... I wouldn't have interference on either runner in the diagram.  I see the ball well past F3/4 for R1.

"passes by" (or whatever the specific wording in the OBR book is) means "immediately past" -- such that the runner would have a reasonable assumption that the fielder would make a play on the ball.  That applies to R2 in the diagram, but not to R1.  Under OBR, a runner is expected to avoid this batted ball.

 

FED uses the "string theory" so that if the ball is "farther from home than the two adjacent fielders" (my words) then the runner didn't really interfere with a play, so the runner is not out.