Intervening Play?

[alex83m]

What exactly does "Intervening Play" mean?

Game Situation: Runner third Base, no Out, Squeeze Play attempt.

Batter bunting directly in front of the catcher, the catcher fields the ball and tagged the scoring Runner, Runner called save by the Plate-Umpire -> after them, the catcher throws to 1st-Base and hits the Batter-Runner in his back while he is running to 1st-Base in fair-territory outside the 3-feet-Line.

How would you decide the situation?

I would call the Batter Runner Out for Interference because he was outside the 3-feet-line, where the Batter-Runner is protected by this kind of ball hits, Run scores because of the fact that at the start of the pitch there was less then two Out (Official Baseball Rules (OBR) - Rule 6.01(a)) so the Runner scored. Also I would say the play at home was a intervening play but I am not sure what the term "intervening play" means or which situation it is describing. Is it describing the play at home while the Batter-Runner is in an force-play involved?

I found some information in OBR, site 54, Rule 5.10(l) Comment (Rule 8.06 Comment): "...before there is an intervening play (a pitch or other play)" -> but it does not exactly describe what a "intervening play" exactly is or means, or does it?

Also I found the same situation at in OBR site 62 but no explanation or definition about the term "intervening play", maybe you could tell me more about it, so I can understand it better

Is an intervening play only at home possible or could it be also at other bases? I would suggest yes. Is an intervening play only when a Runner is "forced" or does it not matter?

I am a umpire newbie and would be very glad if someone, with more experience, could tell me more about "intervening plays".

Thanks a lot, best alex

[Cav]

Intervening - occur in time between events: "to occupy the intervening months, she took a job in a hospital"

The tag-try at the plate occurred in the time between the bunted ball and the batter-runner's running lane interference. 

[ALStripes17]

What exactly does "Intervening Play" mean?
Game Situation: Runner third Base, no Out, Squeeze Play attempt.
Batter bunting directly in front of the catcher, the catcher fields the ball and tagged the scoring Runner, Runner called save by the Plate-Umpire -> after them, the catcher throws to 1st-Base and hits the Batter-Runner in his back while he is running to 1st-Base in fair-territory outside the 3-feet-Line.
How would you decide the situation?

I would call the Batter Runner Out for Interference because he was outside the 3-feet-line, where the Batter-Runner is protected by this kind of ball hits, Run scores because of the fact that at the start of the pitch there was less then two Out (Official Baseball Rules (OBR) - Rule 6.01(a)) so the Runner scored. Also I would say the play at home was a intervening play but I am not sure what the term "intervening play" means or which situation it is describing. Is it describing the play at home while the Batter-Runner is in an force-play involved?
I found some information in OBR, site 54, Rule 5.10(l) Comment (Rule 8.06 Comment): "...before there is an intervening play (a pitch or other play)" -> but it does not exactly describe what a "intervening play" exactly is or means, or does it?
Also I found the same situation at in OBR site 62 but no explanation or definition about the term "intervening play", maybe you could tell me more about it, so I can understand it better
Is an intervening play only at home possible or could it be also at other bases? I would suggest yes. Is an intervening play only when a Runner is "forced" or does it not matter?
I am a umpire newbie and would be very glad if someone, with more experience, could tell me more about "intervening plays".
Thanks a lot, best alex

The run scores because there was an intervening play (the tag attempt by the catcher). If the catcher came out and just fielder the bunt and drew a runner's lane violation by the BR, then the runner would return to 3B.


The intervening play allows the runners to advance on the INT by the BR before reaching 1B. It's viewed as 'The defense made a subsequent play so the offense is potentially not penalized as harshly.

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[Guest NJ Coach]

this is unclear to me...if the tag at home were missed, then a good throw to first for the third out, then the run doesn't score.

Why would runner interference save his team the run ?

[noumpere]

Just now, Guest NJ Coach said:

this is unclear to me...if the tag at home were missed, then a good throw to first for the third out, then the run doesn't score.

Why would runner interference save his team the run ?

It wouldn't, if there were two outs to start.

But, with less than two outs: with NO intervening play, R3 returns TOP (even if he had "scored" prior to the INT);  with an intervening play, he "returns" TOI - and, since he had scored TOI, the run counts.

[Sut'n Blue]

I found this confusing but think l get it now (after double checking the rule) so thanks for the OP as it made me think and dig into the book.

Here's part of the rule regarding penalty for interference:

"In the event the batter-runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch; provided, however, if during an intervening play at the plate with less than two outs a runner scores, and then the batter-runner is called out for interference outside the three-foot lane, the runner is safe and the run shall count."

In the OP the F2 attempted to tag R3 before he scored and though F2 put a "tag" on R3 it was after R3 touched home so R3 was safe. F2's tagging of R3, even though he didn't make the out, was an attempt to get R3 out and therefore is considered both a "play" and an intervening play at the plate as well. Since there were less than two outs, the run scores as BR, though he didn't make it to first becaue of the RLI, was not the third out.

Right?

 

[Stk004]

2 hours ago, Sut'n Blue said:

I found this confusing but think l get it now (after double checking the rule) so thanks for the OP as it made me think and dig into the book.

Here's part of the rule regarding penalty for interference:

"In the event the batter-runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch; provided, however, if during an intervening play at the plate with less than two outs a runner scores, and then the batter-runner is called out for interference outside the three-foot lane, the runner is safe and the run shall count."

In the OP the F2 attempted to tag R3 before he scored and though F2 put a "tag" on R3 it was after R3 touched home so R3 was safe. F2's tagging of R3, even though he didn't make the out, was an attempt to get R3 out and therefore is considered both a "play" and an intervening play at the plate as well. Since there were less than two outs, the run scores as BR, though he didn't make it to first becaue of the RLI, was not the third out.

Right?

 

Yeah, it sounds like you got it. 

A play (or attempted play) is a legitimate attempt to retire a runner. The catcher made a legitimate attempt to retire R3, then threw to 1B where the RLI occurred. Intervening play only applies to this play at the plate then RLI situation. It's easy to gloss over, I only know of it because I got it wrong on a test. 

[Jimurray]

31 minutes ago, Stk004 said:

Yeah, it sounds like you got it. 

A play (or attempted play) is a legitimate attempt to retire a runner. The catcher made a legitimate attempt to retire R3, then threw to 1B where the RLI occurred. Intervening play only applies to this play at the plate then RLI situation. It's easy to gloss over, I only know of it because I got it wrong on a test. 

Easy wrinkle but worth perusing rule language in OBR and NCAA and PBUC guidance in OBR. What do you do with other runners?

[Stk004]

3 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

Easy wrinkle but worth perusing rule language in OBR and NCAA and PBUC guidance in OBR. What do you do with other runners?

I believe they would return to their TOP bases, except for R3. But I'm gonna run upstairs and check with my books. 

[Jimurray]

2 minutes ago, Stk004 said:

I believe they would return to their TOP bases, except for R3. But I'm gonna run upstairs and check with my books. 

NCAA makes it clear but you need PBUC to make OBR clear.

[Stk004]

2 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

NCAA makes it clear but you need PBUC to make OBR clear.

I can't find it in the MLBUM but I could've sworn it was in there. OBR just says that the run is allowed to score. Based on nothing but the rulebook I'd say R3 scores and all other runners return.

[Jimurray]

4 minutes ago, Stk004 said:

I can't find it in the MLBUM but I could've sworn it was in there. OBR just says that the run is allowed to score. Based on nothing but the rulebook I'd say R3 scores and all other runners return.

Keep looking in the MLBUM for "the reasoning is...." 

[Stk004]

Just now, Jimurray said:

Keep looking in the MLBUM for "the reasoning is...." 

Do you know what section number intervening play is? I thought it was 6.something but I don't see it. 

[Jimurray]

8 minutes ago, Stk004 said:

Do you know what section number intervening play is? I thought it was 6.something but I don't see it. 

Not in the MLBUM. 7.2 on an old PBUC on an antique IPAD I have. Anyway, runners return TOI.

[Stk004]

Just now, Jimurray said:

Not in the MLBUM. 7.2 on an old PBUC on an antique IPAD I have. Anyway, runners return TOI.

Finally stumbled on it right as your response rolled in. 7.2 in the 2016 MLBUM

"Runners would return to the base last legally touched at the time of interference."

[noumpere]

5 hours ago, Stk004 said:

Finally stumbled on it right as your response rolled in. 7.2 in the 2016 MLBUM

"Runners would return to the base last legally touched at the time of interference."

In FED, runners always return TOI (except FPSR).  In NCAA and OBR, runners return TOP, unless there's an intervening play, and then they return TOI.

[alex83m]

Hi Fellows,

very thanks for the detailed answers, they where very helpful for me.
Thanks a lot for your help and wish you a nice day.

best, alex

[White47]

Can anyone think of another situation where Intervening Play comes into effect? I tried but got nothing.

[White47]

On 4/15/2017 at 0:19 AM, Stk004 said:

Yeah, it sounds like you got it. 

A play (or attempted play) is a legitimate attempt to retire a runner. The catcher made a legitimate attempt to retire R3, then threw to 1B where the RLI occurred. Intervening play only applies to this play at the plate then RLI situation. It's easy to gloss over, I only know of it because I got it wrong on a test. 

Got my answer! If I'd learn to read everyone'd post before asking something I'd probably save some time.