Force Out

[David90292]

This happened in Pony League, Bronco (11-12 year olds) Division.  1 out, runner on first.  Ground ball hit to pitcher, who throws to the first baseman who touches the bag.  The runner, after leading off, went back to first and was on the bag when the first basemen received the ball from the pitcher.  The first basemen then threw the ball to the shortstop who touched second base.  The shortstop then threw the ball back to the first basemen who tagged the runner, who was still standing on the bag.  The umpires had a meeting and declared the runner out because they said he had to run.

The manager argued with the umpires that since the first basemen touched first base it removed the force out and the runner had to be tagged out and the runner stayed on the bag and didn't get off he should be safe.  What is the correct call and what pony rule or mlb rule should be cited.

[stkjock]

similar question here:

 

sounds to me that the umpires got it wrong and your manger was correct.

think of it this way, if the R1 was a few steps off first, F3 tags the bag, then throws to 2nd, what would be required to achieve an out?

a tag of the runner... not a tag of the base....  in this example, R1 could retreat to first to avoid the play at 2nd and return to first safely if untagged

 

[noumpere]

The manager was correct.  Once BR was out, R1 was no longer forced from the base.  He needs to be tagged while off the base to be out.

[Rich Ives]

9 minutes ago, David90292 said:

This happened in Pony League, Bronco (11-12 year olds) Division.  1 out, runner on first.  Ground ball hit to pitcher, who throws to the first baseman who touches the bag.  The runner, after leading off, went back to first and was on the bag when the first basemen received the ball from the pitcher.  The first basemen then threw the ball to the shortstop who touched second base.  The shortstop then threw the ball back to the first basemen who tagged the runner, who was still standing on the bag.  The umpires had a meeting and declared the runner out because they said he had to run.

The manager argued with the umpires that since the first basemen touched first base it removed the force out and the runner had to be tagged out and the runner stayed on the bag and didn't get off he should be safe.  What is the correct call and what pony rule or mlb rule should be cited.

Definitions (or rule 2.00)

A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses his right to occupy a base
by reason of the batter becoming a runner.
Rule 2.00 (Force Play) Comment: Confusion regarding this play is removed by remembering
that frequently the “force” situation is removed during the play. Example: Man on first, one out,
ball hit sharply to first baseman who touches the bag and batter-runner is out. The force is removed at
that moment and runner advancing to second must be tagged.