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This happened in Pony League, Bronco (11-12 year olds) Division. 1 out, runner on first. Ground ball hit to pitcher, who throws to the first baseman who touches the bag. The runner, after leading off, went back to first and was on the bag when the first basemen received the ball from the pitcher. The first basemen then threw the ball to the shortstop who touched second base. The shortstop then threw the ball back to the first basemen who tagged the runner, who was still standing on the bag. The umpires had a meeting and declared the runner out because they said he had to run. The manager argued with the umpires that since the first basemen touched first base it removed the force out and the runner had to be tagged out and the runner stayed on the bag and didn't get off he should be safe. What is the correct call and what pony rule or mlb rule should be cited.
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12U, top of 7th (doesn't matter); R3, 1 out Batter hits a screamer at F3 that he fields like an F2, going down to his knees and smothering. He's now about six feet from the bag, on his hands and knees, with the BR hustling down the line, and the F1 nowhere to be seen. So, unable to get to his feet in time, F3 grabs the ball in his free hand and crawls on his knees, and then flops over to smack 1B with his glove like he just thwacked a base-sized mosquito (there is no doubt he contacted the bag). The ball is still in his free hand. BR arrives... BU calls him "SAFE". As PU, I have R3 coming to cross the plate, so I can't step any closer to the play, but at 70', I see this happen just as I described it. The only "missing piece", or uncertainty, I have is whether or not F3 had control of the ball in his free hand. HT coaches go bonkers. I'm striding up the 1BL after acknowledging R3's score, and everyone who is not an umpire is looking at the two of us. My BU gives the short declarative, "He had the ball in his free hand, and hit the bag with his glove!". We're now standing about five feet apart, but the entirety of the HT dugout (which, conveniently, is just off 1B) and the HTHC is channeling their questioning outcries at me. I tell the HTHC we are going to discuss it, and I direct my partner more into the infield. I ask, "What did you see?" "Ball in hand, glove tagged the bag before BR arrived." "Did he have possession of the ball at the time?" "Yes." "Then that's an out." I then cued my BU to step from our discussion and rule the BR "OUT". Did we get this right? Of course as I'm jogging back to the HP, the VTHC wants an explanation (approached respectfully, and I appreciate the 1BC, who was an AC, not uttering a single word the entire time), and I explain that the tag of the bag by the glove with the ball in hand constitutes the ball beating the runner to the bag, thus he's out. If it had been a tag of the BR instead (in that same manner), it would have been safe. Run scored, 2 outs, next batter, Play!
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Runner on third, two outs, ground ball to short. Throw to first is off target so 1st basemen isn't on bag when he catches the ball.... however, the runner over step steps the bag and never touches it. He is originally called safe by ump via rule of runner missing a bag, but on appeal is called out when first baseman tags the runner before he can return to 1st and appeals that he missed the bag. Before the appeal is granted, the runner scores from 3rd. The defense argues run shouldn't count because runner missed bag and out was still a force out, offense argues the runner was out on appeal, not a force, run should count. does run count?
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Runners on 1st and 2nd when a pop fly is hit to the second baseman. At this point, the umpire immediately calls "Infield Fly" and declares the batter out. The runner on second started running to 3rd when the ball was hit and before the ball was caught. The 2nd baseman catches the ball and immediately throws to the shortstop who tags 2nd base before the runner returns to the base. The umpire states that all force plays are "off" when the infield fly rule is in effect and declares the runner safe at second stating he needed to be tagged out since there is no force. Is this the correct call? I understand there in no longer a force at 3rd base since the batter is declared out but does the "all force plays are off" hold true for the runner leaving the base early on a pop fly? That seems nonsensical. What is the correct call?
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Bases loaded, two out. Ground ball gets thru the infield, runner on third crosses home plate. Left fielder then throws out slow runner from first at second on a force out – no tag applied. Does the run count, or is this a standard force out, and no run scores?
