Sergio

[Guest Serg]

I have a question 9u

No outs runner on first----ground ball gets hit to the second base man, second baseman gets the ball and runs toward the runner coming from first--runner from first runs toward second but sees the fielder coming towards him he then back peddles back to first. (the play was evident that he would be out)  The umpire calls that runner out.

It uses USSSA Rules

Whats the call and whats the rule????

 

Thank you

Serg

[ricka56]

Unless there is something in your situation that you left out, there is no rule to support calling that runner out. He (or 2B) has to be tagged for an out.

[Jimurray]

I have a question 9u

No outs runner on first----ground ball gets hit to the second base man, second baseman gets the ball and runs toward the runner coming from first--runner from first runs toward second but sees the fielder coming towards him he then back peddles back to first. (the play was evident that he would be out)  The umpire calls that runner out.

It uses USSSA Rules

Whats the call and whats the rule????

 

Thank you

Serg

Need more info as to what exactly happened but the runner from 1B, which we call R1 would not be out unless he or 2B was tagged or the batter passed him or he and the batter were both on 1B and he was tagged. Just reversing would not be a reason to call the runner out. Normally, on a play like this in baseball, there will be one or two outs so it's not like karma has been violated.

[Guest Serg]

I have a question 9u

No outs runner on first----ground ball gets hit to the second base man, second baseman gets the ball and runs toward the runner coming from first--runner from first runs toward second but sees the fielder coming towards him he then back peddles back to first. (the play was evident that he would be out)  The umpire calls that runner out.

It uses USSSA Rules

Whats the call and whats the rule????

 

Thank you

Serg

 

 

 

There is a rule under USSSA that says if a play is evident the runner must  slide and  try to avoid contact---leaping, jumping over and going around is not to be interpreted as trying to avoid contact.

is this to be interpreted as having to give up the out

 

[ricka56]

There is a rule under USSSA that says if a play is evident the runner must  slide and  or try to avoid contact---leaping, jumping over and going around is not to be interpreted as trying to avoid contact.

is this to be interpreted as having to give up the out

I have no idea how this is related to the original post. The rule that you paraphrase above is a safety rule that is in almost every league that plays youth baseball in some form or fashion. Runners are not allowed to crash into the fielder that is trying to tag him out. It is a safety rule and runners aren't allowed to dangerously leap over fielders either...think safety. 

Runners can slide, try to avoid contact, or allow themselves to be tagged (as you say "give up the out"), but they aren't required to give up the out...they just can't crash or hurdle the fielder.

And if you're still scratching your head about why the umpire called this runner out, you may consider the possibility that this 9U umpire might have gotten it wrong.

[noumpere]

There is a myth (in baseball -- I understand that this is actually true in some forms of softball) that the Batter-Runner is out if he backs up toward home before reaching first.

 

Your umpire apparently extended that myth to apply to a runner going from first to second.  He was wrong.

[Umpirechick1]

I'll bet that the umpire called R1 out for being out of baseline. I'm not saying it's the right call, but that's what it sounds like.  Not sure why R1 would retreat, since its a force play and he has nowhere to go except for 2B, but that's a 9 yr old for you.

[noumpere]

I'll bet that the umpire called R1 out for being out of baseline. I'm not saying it's the right call, but that's what it sounds like.  Not sure why R1 would retreat, since its a force play and he has nowhere to go except for 2B, but that's a 9 yr old for you.

Well, from a baseball standpoint, you don't want to run into a tag on this play.  If you can make F4 "chase" (used within the rules) you,. BR can get to first.  Let F4 tag you and then probably BR is out.

[johnnyg08]

Retreating is not an out.  Period.  

[conbo61]

Well, from a baseball standpoint, you don't want to run into a tag on this play.  If you can make F4 "chase" (used within the rules) you,. BR can get to first.  Let F4 tag you and then probably BR is out.

You are giving a WHOLE lot of credit to a 9 year old.

[Umpirechick1]

The OP sounds like R1 was called out before he was tagged, though. Just sounds like the umpire messed up, unless there is more to the story.

[noumpere]

You are giving a WHOLE lot of credit to a 9 year old.

I'm only answering umpirechick's question on "why R1 would retreat."

[DVA7130]

There is a myth (in baseball -- I understand that this is actually true in some forms of softball) that the Batter-Runner is out if he backs up toward home before reaching first.

 

Your umpire apparently extended that myth to apply to a runner going from first to second.  He was wrong.

*cough* If they pass the plate they are out per PBUC.

[Jimurray]

*cough* If they pass the plate they are out per PBUC.

True enough. And your point was?

[noumpere]

*cough* If they pass the plate they are out per PBUC.

*cough* if he reaches / touches (the wording might vary among codes and I don't have any books handy to look it up) the plate they are out in all (baseball) codes.

Edited September 20, 2015 by noumpere