Rules check?

[Thunderheads]

interesting ..........

[GerryB]

Did Maddon get an appearance fee in this series?

[Thunderheads]

Did Maddon get an appearance fee in this series?

[Lindsay]

At least Cubby's crew is going to New York now instead of interpreting things incorrectly on their own again. Chances are the Cederstrom/Miller crews in NY either knew or had the replay rules directly in front of them.

[Mizzou2016]

What exactly is going on here? Is Maddon trying to challenge the neighborhood play?


That is only challenge-able (?) if the throw draws the fielder from the bag, correct?

[maven]

What exactly is going on here? Is Maddon trying to challenge the neighborhood play?


That is only challenge-able (?) if the throw draws the fielder from the bag, correct?

I suspect that's what they were confirming with NY.

[goody14]

Am I completely crazy to think this is not a neighborhood play? I would wager this is the nuance Maddon was trying to understand.

I think of a neighborhood play as the pivot man being on second ready for a throw and then he slips his foot off a split second before actually catching the ball.

By counter-point in this play, the SS had the ball before he got to the bag and might or might not have ever touched it. Seems different to me.

[maven]

Am I completely crazy to think this is not a neighborhood play? I would wager this is the nuance Maddon was trying to understand.

I think of a neighborhood play as the pivot man being on second ready for a throw and then he slips his foot off a split second before actually catching the ball.

By counter-point in this play, the SS had the ball before he got to the bag and might or might not have ever touched it. Seems different to me.

The neighborhood play is so called because the middle infielder is given leeway in tagging 2B so that he has an opportunity to clear the base before the runner arrives. As long as he is in the "neighborhood" of 2B with secure possession of the ball (usually that means a few inches), and as long as the timing and play at the base are clean, the umpires credited the defense with a tag of the base. They called the out even though there was no moment when the fielder, in secure possession of the ball in hand or glove, touched the base with some part of his body.

The neighborhood play is dead (or at least quite moribund) due to replay. MLB is enforcing the INT rule on runners sliding into fielders, and they're requiring fielders to tag the base.

That said, the OP is not the neighborhood play, but rather a case of a potentially missed tag. The fielder was not moving across the base to avoid the runner: he was actually on a collision course with the runner. Even back in the day, U2 would have ruled on this tag on its merits, not as a neighborhood play.

I don't know exactly how the replay rules are written, but my understanding is that when the defense attempts a double play and gets a throw off to 1B, and provided the throw to the fielder at 2B doesn't pull that fielder off the base, the tag of 2B is not reviewable. That would explain why Maddon was sent back to the dugout and there was no review.

[NorthTexasUmp]

The neighborhood play is so called because the middle infielder is given leeway in tagging 2B so that he has an opportunity to clear the base before the runner arrives. As long as he is in the "neighborhood" of 2B with secure possession of the ball (usually that means a few inches), and as long as the timing and play at the base are clean, the umpires credited the defense with a tag of the base. They called the out even though there was no moment when the fielder, in secure possession of the ball in hand or glove, touched the base with some part of his body.

The neighborhood play is dead (or at least quite moribund) due to replay. MLB is enforcing the INT rule on runners sliding into fielders, and they're requiring fielders to tag the base.

That said, the OP is not the neighborhood play, but rather a case of a potentially missed tag. The fielder was not moving across the base to avoid the runner: he was actually on a collision course with the runner. Even back in the day, U2 would have ruled on this tag on its merits, not as a neighborhood play.

I don't know exactly how the replay rules are written, but my understanding is that when the defense attempts a double play and gets a throw off to 1B, and provided the throw to the fielder at 2B doesn't pull that fielder off the base, the tag of 2B is not reviewable. That would explain why Maddon was sent back to the dugout and there was no review.

I believe this is correct. An interesting note though, the Union is the one who did not want this reviewable.