out on appeal

[Guest BaseballNJ]

Situation is this. one out, runners on 1st and second. Batter hits a double and 2 runs score. Pitcher appeals that batter missed 1st base and umpire calls him out. Do the runs still score?

[Richvee]

yes. 2 runs. 2 outs. Had there been 2 outs, and BR misses 1st and is the 3rd out on appeal, no runs would score

Edited June 13, 2015 by Richvee
clarification

[ssaumpire]

yes. 2 runs. 2 outs. Had there been 2 outs, and BR misses 1st and is the 3rd out on appeal, no runs would score

Absolutely right case closed

[Aging_Arbiter]

NO reference material handy.  Please cite rule for OP so the powers that be can lock it up!

[noumpere]

Well, I personally am not sure a rules reference is needed for "does a run score on a play when the second out is made?"

 

For the play that *starts* with two outs, there's these two plays from the (new) 5.08, that seem on point:

 

APPROVED RULING: No run shall score during a play

in which the third out is made by the batter-runner before

he touches first base. Example: One out, Jones on second,

Smith on first. The batter, Brown, hits safely. Jones

scores. Smith is out on the throw to the plate. Two outs.

But Brown missed first base. The ball is thrown to first,

an appeal is made, and Brown is out. Three outs. Since

Jones crossed the plate during a play in which the third

out was made by the batter-runner before he touched first

base, Jones’ run does not count.

 

APPROVED RULING: Two out, bases full, batter hits

home run over fence. Batter, on appeal, is declared out

for missing first base. Three outs. No run counts.

[maven]

How about 5.08(a) (4.09a): "One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning."

[Dbellyflop]

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.

1. (a)  One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases. 

Rule 4.09 Comment: APPROVED RULING: No run shall score during a play in which the third out is made by the batter-runner before he touches first base. Example: One out, Jones on second, Smith on first. The batter, Brown, hits safely. Jones scores. Smith is out on the throw to the plate. Two outs. But Brown missed first base. The ball is thrown to first, an appeal is made, and Brown is out. Three outs. Since Jones crossed the plate during a play in which the third out was made by the batter- runner before he touched first base, Jones’ run does not count.