Obstruction? Fake... Not tag, but possession

[John S.]

http://atmlb.com/1r4FyuB

 

NFHS

 

I'm aware a fake tag is obstruction, but would this be considered obstruction as well?

[BRUMP]

http://atmlb.com/1r4FyuB

 

NFHS

 

I'm aware a fake tag is obstruction, but would this be considered obstruction as well?

 

As long as there is no verbal to go along with Jeters fake he's good.

[Jocko]

The verbal would be the OBS in fed. Nothing illegal about his actions.

[noumpere]

It might also depend on what the "verbal" is -- and how the restriction is enforced / interpreted in any given area.

 

If HS-Jeter said "get down" or "break it up" -- then verbal OBS.  But if he said "turn two" -- I would still have that as legal in FED.

[MPLSMatt]

Seems the restriction is only on the specific fake tag, not on fake actions:

 

6.2.4 SITUATION E:

With R1 on second base, F1 wheels and fakes a throw to second on a pickoff attempt. As R1 dives back to the base, F4 and F6 run into short center field as if chasing an errant throw. R1 seeing this, takes off for third base where he is thrown out by F1.

RULING: This is legal and is not considered unsportsmanlike conduct. R1's base coaches have the responsibility to keep R1 informed.

[ricka56]

Bonus question: In OBR a tag is a touch of the runner with the ball or a touch of the base (1B or a force out). In Fed a fake tag is obstruction. Why then is a fake force play not obstruction in Fed ?

[ALStripes17]

Bonus question: In OBR a tag is a touch of the runner with the ball or a touch of the base (1B or a force out). In Fed a fake tag is obstruction. Why then is a fake force play not obstruction in Fed ?

Because in FED, a 'tag out' and a 'throw out' are separately defined ... 2-24-4 and 2-24-5

[1dumbquestion]

Bonus question: In OBR a tag is a touch of the runner with the ball or a touch of the base (1B or a force out). In Fed a fake tag is obstruction. Why then is a fake force play not obstruction in Fed ?

The fake tag OBS is to avoid possible injury on a runner sliding for no reason., since there is no advantage to be gained by sliding on a force play the "fake force" is not an OBS. 1

[ricka56]

 

Bonus question: In OBR a tag is a touch of the runner with the ball or a touch of the base (1B or a force out). In Fed a fake tag is obstruction. Why then is a fake force play not obstruction in Fed ?

The fake tag OBS is to avoid possible injury on a runner sliding for no reason., since there is no advantage to be gained by sliding on a force play the "fake force" is not an OBS. 1

 

huh ? why do runners most always slide on a force play...it keeps them from pulling a hamstring stopping a base over-run if they don't slide (same reason non-force play runners slide).

 

Back up to post #7 for the correct answer. This OBR/Fed diff was another that I had forgotten.

[1dumbquestion]

 

 

Bonus question: In OBR a tag is a touch of the runner with the ball or a touch of the base (1B or a force out). In Fed a fake tag is obstruction. Why then is a fake force play not obstruction in Fed ?

The fake tag OBS is to avoid possible injury on a runner sliding for no reason., since there is no advantage to be gained by sliding on a force play the "fake force" is not an OBS. 1

 

huh ? why do runners most always slide on a force play...it keeps them from pulling a hamstring stopping a base over-run if they don't slide (same reason non-force play runners slide).

 

Back up to post #7 for the correct answer. This OBR/Fed diff was another that I had forgotten.

 

I just rolled into work. I guess I'll wake up before posting next time. 1

[ricka56]

I just rolled into work. I guess I'll wake up before posting next time. 1

 

how about coffee

[Rich Ives]

 

 

Bonus question: In OBR a tag is a touch of the runner with the ball or a touch of the base (1B or a force out). In Fed a fake tag is obstruction. Why then is a fake force play not obstruction in Fed ?

The fake tag OBS is to avoid possible injury on a runner sliding for no reason., since there is no advantage to be gained by sliding on a force play the "fake force" is not an OBS. 1

 

huh ? why do runners most always slide on a force play...it keeps them from pulling a hamstring stopping a base over-run if they don't slide (same reason non-force play runners slide).

 

Back up to post #7 for the correct answer. This OBR/Fed diff was another that I had forgotten.

 

 

 

To attempt to break up the DP and get out of the way of the throw.