Interference or play on?

[ALStripes17]

In 50+ years, I have called BI maybe 6 or 7 times.

The one that sticks out is:

Runner on 1st and runner on 3rd, F2 starts to throw to F5 but B3 steps and blocks the throw. Runner on 1st is trying to steal and F2 throws him out. I kill the play on BI but no one heard me. After everything calmed down, I ruled BI, B3 is out and the runner goes back to 1st.

The DC comes out and wanted three outs. I explained that once I have BI, the ball is dead. The coach had a really hard time accepting the fact that he could not have 3 outs. I explained again tht the attempt on the runner at 3rd base was unsuccessful therefore the ball became dead and the batter was out.

If there was less than two outs in this situation, would the runner at 3B be out or the batter? Does it make a difference if the runner at 3rd is trying to score or if he is just leading off?

In @charliej47's play above, unless the batter struck out on the pitch, he is the one that should be out, not R3. If R3 was stealing home and the batter interfered, then you could get R3 out if there are less than 2 outs. If there are 2 outs, then the batter is out and the inning is over.

And if the batter did strike out, then committed interference, the runner closest to home is out, correct?

In what code? And did the batter interfere with a play being made at the plate? Or at another base?

[bluejerred]

OBR and FED ^^^^^^^

[ALStripes17]

OBR and FED ^^^^^^^

Ok ... and where is the play going when BI occurs?

[noumpere]

 

And if the batter did strike out, then committed interference, the runner closest to home is out, correct?

 

 

 

The runner being played on is out.  If you can't tell who was being played on, then it's the runner closest to home.

 

I think you are confusing this with the BR interfering with a fielder on a batted ball with the obvious intent of breaking up a DP, in OBR

[bluejerred]

Thank you @noumpere.  I know this situation doesn't come up a lot, but when it does, it seems like it can turn into a circus if you aren't armed with the proper adjudications and explanations.  Especially, when it's the end of the game like it was in my situation!

[maven]

In 50+ years, I have called BI maybe 6 or 7 times.

The one that sticks out is:

Runner on 1st and runner on 3rd, F2 starts to throw to F5 but B3 steps and blocks the throw. Runner on 1st is trying to steal and F2 throws him out. I kill the play on BI but no one heard me. After everything calmed down, I ruled BI, B3 is out and the runner goes back to 1st.

In Charlie's play, R1 is out. F2's throw retired the runner, so it counts. R3 scores, the BI is ignored, and the batter does whatever is next (sits down if it was strike 3, otherwise resumes his time at bat).

 

And no, there is no coach option here.

 

Odd that the "one that sticks out" is one where the BI is ignored by rule.

[grayhawk]

 

In 50+ years, I have called BI maybe 6 or 7 times.

The one that sticks out is:

Runner on 1st and runner on 3rd, F2 starts to throw to F5 but B3 steps and blocks the throw. Runner on 1st is trying to steal and F2 throws him out. I kill the play on BI but no one heard me. After everything calmed down, I ruled BI, B3 is out and the runner goes back to 1st.

In Charlie's play, R1 is out. F2's throw retired the runner, so it counts. R3 scores, the BI is ignored, and the batter does whatever is next (sits down if it was strike 3, otherwise resumes his time at bat).

 

And no, there is no coach option here.

 

Odd that the "one that sticks out" is one where the BI is ignored by rule.

 

 

@maven, there was BI on the catcher's attempt to retire R3.  The throw to retire R1 never happened.

[maven]

 

 

In 50+ years, I have called BI maybe 6 or 7 times.

The one that sticks out is:

Runner on 1st and runner on 3rd, F2 starts to throw to F5 but B3 steps and blocks the throw. Runner on 1st is trying to steal and F2 throws him out. I kill the play on BI but no one heard me. After everything calmed down, I ruled BI, B3 is out and the runner goes back to 1st.

In Charlie's play, R1 is out. F2's throw retired the runner, so it counts. R3 scores, the BI is ignored, and the batter does whatever is next (sits down if it was strike 3, otherwise resumes his time at bat).

 

And no, there is no coach option here.

 

Odd that the "one that sticks out" is one where the BI is ignored by rule.

 

 

@maven, there was BI on the catcher's attempt to retire R3.  The throw to retire R1 never happened.

 

 

Ah. Somebody was missing something. Turns out it was me.

 

Charlie didn't help though, since F2 did not actually throw anyone out.

[Forest Ump]

 

This is over simplifying the play and are not hard and fast rules.  This is how I would handle the play with common sense and fair play.

 

This.

[D62 blue]

Sitch:  Bottom of 7th, 3-1 count, 2 outs, R1, R3.  Pitch taken for strike 2.  R3 has big lead and F2 decides to make a snap throw to F5.  The throw from F2 hits the batter in the box on the helmet and rolls into the infield.  What are your adjudications if a) the batter did not move at the time of F2's throw and b) the batter made any movement in the box during F2's throw.

I had this play a while back , with one exception F2 was trying to throw out R2 stealing 3rd . And F2 didnt throw around B , and hit his bat which was resting on his shoulder .

I ruled BI , sent R2 back to 2nd . Only comment from offense was , "he was in the box " marc . we played on .

any comments welcome ..............

 

Marc

[ALStripes17]

Sitch: Bottom of 7th, 3-1 count, 2 outs, R1, R3. Pitch taken for strike 2. R3 has big lead and F2 decides to make a snap throw to F5. The throw from F2 hits the batter in the box on the helmet and rolls into the infield. What are your adjudications if a) the batter did not move at the time of F2's throw and b) the batter made any movement in the box during F2's throw.

I had this play a while back , with one exception F2 was trying to throw out R2 stealing 3rd . And F2 didnt throw around B , and hit his bat which was resting on his shoulder .

I ruled BI , sent R2 back to 2nd . Only comment from offense was , "he was in the box " marc . we played on .

any comments welcome ..............

Marc

If the batter is just standing there and made no movement, that wiuld be a play on. F2 has the responsibility of clearing the batter to throw to 3B. Batter moves into F2's way, then I have BI

[ALStripes17]

Sitch: Bottom of 7th, 3-1 count, 2 outs, R1, R3. Pitch taken for strike 2. R3 has big lead and F2 decides to make a snap throw to F5. The throw from F2 hits the batter in the box on the helmet and rolls into the infield. What are your adjudications if a) the batter did not move at the time of F2's throw and b) the batter made any movement in the box during F2's throw.

I had this play a while back , with one exception F2 was trying to throw out R2 stealing 3rd . And F2 didnt throw around B , and hit his bat which was resting on his shoulder .

I ruled BI , sent R2 back to 2nd . Only comment from offense was , "he was in the box " marc . we played on .

any comments welcome ..............

Marc

If the batter is just standing there and made no movement, that wiuld be a play on. F2 has the responsibility of clearing the batter to throw to 3B. Batter moves into F2's way, then I have BI

[noumpere]

 

Sitch:  Bottom of 7th, 3-1 count, 2 outs, R1, R3.  Pitch taken for strike 2.  R3 has big lead and F2 decides to make a snap throw to F5.  The throw from F2 hits the batter in the box on the helmet and rolls into the infield.  What are your adjudications if a) the batter did not move at the time of F2's throw and b) the batter made any movement in the box during F2's throw.

I had this play a while back , with one exception F2 was trying to throw out R2 stealing 3rd . And F2 didnt throw around B , and hit his bat which was resting on his shoulder .

I ruled BI , sent R2 back to 2nd . Only comment from offense was , "he was in the box " marc . we played on .

any comments welcome ..............

 

Marc

 

If you're asking whether it makes a difference whether the throw hits the bat or the helmet, the answer is no.

 

Otherwise, your play is part (a) of the OP and has been repeatedly answered -- if the batter didn't move, it's play on.  Sounds like you might have kicked it, but you'll own it now