Wind Up requirements

[Jglopez7]

I tried uploading the video but was unable to. Pitcher has a normal delivery but stops completely on a called 3rd strike. Just wanting feedback and info guys.

NCAA wind up position:

[Replacematt]

No runners on. Can't be a balk.

[Jglopez7]

An illegal pitch mAybe?

[Replacematt]

An illegal pitch mAybe?

 

Maybe, but a) only after a warning and b) most time we aren't touching this. There's no advantage/disadvantage.

[Cav]

I had this happen three days ago in a NFHS postseason game.  I was looking at opening warm-ups by the HT's starter.  He completely stopped during his wind-up motion.  I told F2 that his starter can't do that and I recommended that he tell him so before we began.  After a few warm-ups, I started walking towards the HT's dugout while holding a couple new baseballs out in my hand as if something were wrong with them.  The HT's HC came out to see what was up.  I explained what was going on with his starter and what I told his catcher.  He and his catcher went out to the hill when warm-ups were completed, briefly talked to their starter and we were ready to go by the time the VT's coaches were in their boxes.  No charged conference.  F1 made the necessary adjustment.  I'm not saying he didn't occasionally revert to his "interrupted" motion, but neither my partner (2-man) nor I called it.

 

I was taught so many years ago that the wind-up motion had to be "smooth and continuous."  Those are words I use, although the NFHS book reads, "...without interruption or alteration."  That said, why the motion is not legal makes little sense to me.  I see no greater "interruption or alteration" in F1's wind-up motion than when he drops the ball during delivery.  That act is not penalized if no runners were on.  And, even with runners aboard, what is F1 to do once he begins his wind-up motion?  It's not like he's going to "freeze" a runner by "hanging his leg" from the set.  F1 stopping his wind-up motion would only give moving runners more time to advance.   

 

Back to last week's game: I had worked several regular season games with both of these teams this year.  I had seen the HT's starter a few times already, but never before had I seen this particular "hitch" in his wind-up motion.  Where do these kids come up with this stuff? 

 

By the by, we went scoreless through eight.  The VT put three on the board in their half of the ninth.  The HT managed to only answer with one.  When I started my car to leave our crew's "lounge," the clock showed it was only two hours, one minute after the game's start time.  It seldom works out that way for me, but when it does...                 

 

         

[MidAmUmp]

Play on...

[maven]

Not a booger I'd pick. I thought I saw something move...

 

Seriously, why would anyone care? With no runners, it's just a funky windup. If he does it with runners on, they get even more of an advantage from the windup.

[Jglopez7]

Thanks guys! Just thought I'd get some feedback. I might be over thinking it.

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[grayhawk]

Play on...

 

Agreed.  About the only illegal pitches (no runners) I can envision calling would be:

 

1.  Quick pitch.  Though if I am alert, this should never happen as I am calling time and ensuring that F1 doesn't deliver for the safety of the batter.

2.  Hybrid stance (Fed).  Though I try to catch this in warm ups, if possible.  Don't want to have to call it the first time with R3 late in the game.

[Jglopez7]

Play on...

Agreed. About the only illegal pitches (no runners) I can envision calling would be:

1. Quick pitch. Though if I am alert, this should never happen as I am calling time and ensuring that F1 doesn't deliver for the safety of the batter.

2. Hybrid stance (Fed). Though I try to catch this in warm ups, if possible. Don't want to have to call it the first time with R3 late in the game.

My issue was the pause during the wind up might throw off the batters timing considering he was pitching fluidly the previous pitches.

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Play on...

Agreed. About the only illegal pitches (no runners) I can envision calling would be:

1. Quick pitch. Though if I am alert, this should never happen as I am calling time and ensuring that F1 doesn't deliver for the safety of the batter.

2. Hybrid stance (Fed). Though I try to catch this in warm ups, if possible. Don't want to have to call it the first time with R3 late in the game.

My issue was the pause during the wind up might throw off the batters timing considering he was pitching fluidly the previous pitches.

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[noumpere]

 

Play on...

 

Agreed.  About the only illegal pitches (no runners) I can envision calling would be:

 

1.  Quick pitch.  Though if I am alert, this should never happen as I am calling time and ensuring that F1 doesn't deliver for the safety of the batter.

2.  Hybrid stance (Fed).  Though I try to catch this in warm ups, if possible.  Don't want to have to call it the first time with R3 late in the game.

 

NCAA also has a hybrid stance restriction (warn first, etc)  -- it differs from FED in that the free foot must be entirely in front of the pivot foot to be in the "hybrid" stance.

[grayhawk]

 

 

Play on...

 

Agreed.  About the only illegal pitches (no runners) I can envision calling would be:

 

1.  Quick pitch.  Though if I am alert, this should never happen as I am calling time and ensuring that F1 doesn't deliver for the safety of the batter.

2.  Hybrid stance (Fed).  Though I try to catch this in warm ups, if possible.  Don't want to have to call it the first time with R3 late in the game.

 

NCAA also has a hybrid stance restriction (warn first, etc)  -- it differs from FED in that the free foot must be entirely in front of the pivot foot to be in the "hybrid" stance.

 

 

So the heel of the free foot must be in front of the toe of the pivot foot for it to be illegal?

[noumpere]

 

 

 

Play on...

 

Agreed.  About the only illegal pitches (no runners) I can envision calling would be:

 

1.  Quick pitch.  Though if I am alert, this should never happen as I am calling time and ensuring that F1 doesn't deliver for the safety of the batter.

2.  Hybrid stance (Fed).  Though I try to catch this in warm ups, if possible.  Don't want to have to call it the first time with R3 late in the game.

 

NCAA also has a hybrid stance restriction (warn first, etc)  -- it differs from FED in that the free foot must be entirely in front of the pivot foot to be in the "hybrid" stance.

 

 

So the heel of the free foot must be in front of the toe of the pivot foot for it to be illegal?

 

Yes (assuming any kind of "normal" stance)

[sdix00]

Even with runners on, there is no advantage. F1 is committed to deliver to HP once he starts, so who cares how long it takes. As far as screwing up the battter, the balk rules generally protect the runners not the batter.

All that said, in an NFHS game, I would do exactly what @Cav did and see if i couldnt get it out of the game discretely.

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[Haid D' Salaami]

Play on...

Thanks you... 

I know the 1st base umpire wasnt going to call it.

[dumbdumb]

 

Play on...

Thanks you... 

I know the 1st base umpire wasnt going to call it.

 

On what was to be a 3:15. 9-8 game with 360 pitches, he better not. But of course if that 1BU was the PU, all bets are off and it would be OK.

[spiritump]

in NCAA the pitcher can pause in his wind up or set.