Another 12U Argument

[JaxRolo]

I'm on the bases.

 

Batter 3-1 count. R1

 

R1 steals on the pitch.

 

I did not see if it was Ball or strike. I turn with the throw and bang the kid out.

 

Then I hear PU yell Ball 4 ball 4.

 

Action has stopped. R1 is walking back to dug out and gets tagged again when off the base.

 

I call time and tell R1 to get back on 2nd.

 

DC wants the out because he was off the base and tagged .

 

I tell him I won't penalize the Runner for me calling him and he was just walking off.

 

 

What is the correct call on this?

 

 

[grayhawk]

You called him out.  He got tagged because of your error.  You fixed it.  Nuff said.

[Lala]

This is the type of situation where I would put him back on second because he is vacating the base because you called him out. Now had he stolen second base on say a 1-1 pitch and thought it was fouled off and started running back toward first, then it's a different story.

[JaxRolo]

This is the type of situation where I would put him back on second because he is vacating the base because you called him out. Now had he stolen second base on say a 1-1 pitch and thought it was fouled off and started running back toward first, then it's a different story.

A foul ball is a dead ball. Why would you call him out?

[Thunderheads]

 

This is the type of situation where I would put him back on second because he is vacating the base because you called him out. Now had he stolen second base on say a 1-1 pitch and thought it was fouled off and started running back toward first, then it's a different story.

A foul ball is a dead ball. Why would you call him out?

 

[Lala]

This is the type of situation where I would put him back on second because he is vacating the base because you called him out. Now had he stolen second base on say a 1-1 pitch and thought it was fouled off and started running back toward first, then it's a different story.

A foul ball is a dead ball. Why would you call him out?

I meant the runner thought it was fouled off but wasn't, so the play was still live. I didn't make that clear enough

[JaxRolo]

 

 

This is the type of situation where I would put him back on second because he is vacating the base because you called him out. Now had he stolen second base on say a 1-1 pitch and thought it was fouled off and started running back toward first, then it's a different story.

A foul ball is a dead ball. Why would you call him out?

I meant the runner thought it was fouled off but wasn't, so the play was still live. I didn't make that clear enough

 

My bad. I misread your post.

[bam]

JaxRolo, on 14 Apr 2014 - 2:38 PM, said:

 

Lala, on 14 Apr 2014 - 2:36 PM, said:

 

JaxRolo, on 14 Apr 2014 - 2:34 PM, said:

 

Lala, on 14 Apr 2014 - 2:32 PM, said:

This is the type of situation where I would put him back on second because he is vacating the base because you called him out. Now had he stolen second base on say a 1-1 pitch and thought it was fouled off and started running back toward first, then it's a different story.

A foul ball is a dead ball. Why would you call him out?

I meant the runner thought it was fouled off but wasn't, so the play was still live. I didn't make that clear enough

 

My bad. I misread your post.

 

Lala, post in Cuban next time

[maven]

Both OBR and FED have a specific provision allowing you to rectify the situation in case an umpire's judgment call is later reversed (as when your "out" call at 2B was reversed).
 
OBR: 9.02( c):

 

If the umpires consult after a play and change a call that had been made, then they have the authority to take all steps that they may deem necessary, in their discretion, to eliminate the results and consequences of the earlier call that they are reversing, including placing runners where they think those runners would have been after the play, had the ultimate call been made as the initial call, disregarding interference or obstruction that may have occurred on the play; failures of runners to tag up based upon the initial call on the field; runners passing other runners or missing bases; etc., all in the discretion of the umpires.

 

FED: 10-2-3l (that's a lower-case L): the umpire-in-chief shall:

 

Rectify any situation in which an umpire's decision that was reversed has placed either team at a disadvantage.

[SoCal Lurker]

 

I call time and tell R1 to get back on 2nd.

 

DC wants the out because he was off the base and tagged .

 

 

*Sigh*  Another example of whatis wrong with kids' sports . . .

[blue23ll]

I had a 13U Koufax game this weekend (why oh why do I do this to myself?). I walk onto the field, and ask the VT coach for game balls, and he launches into this diatribe about how he always has to supply balls and nobody else does, yadda yadda yadda, so I say, just give a couple of decent baseballs. We go to the plate meeting, ,aforementioned adult participant has not even begun to put his lineup together, but he still has time to ask, "so where are the home teams balls???", and I point to where they were left on the backstop ledge. I say to myself, 'self, this is going to be a long game'.  I ask for the VT lineup just as soon as he completes it, and of course, it comes to me with first names and no numbers, lah me.

 

So, the game goes along rather swimmingly, with the VT taking a drubbing (big surprise). VT down about 8-0, HT squares to bunt and lays down a good bunt. VT adult participant walks out to the 1st baseline and stands there. I call time, expecting him to go visit his pitcher, but he just stands there looking at me. I say, 'yes coach?' and he says, 'the batter was out of the box when he bunted that ball'. There were no boxes left, I tell the coach that if there were boxes the batter would have been inside it. He continues to give me his opinion, and I tell him no, and let's move on.

 

After the game, my partner and I were walking off the field and this adult participant asks us, " aren't you going to stick around for the hand shakes?", we just keep walking.

[grayhawk]

I had a 13U Koufax game this weekend (why oh why do I do this to myself?). I walk onto the field, and ask the VT coach for game balls, and he launches into this diatribe about how he always has to supply balls and nobody else does, yadda yadda yadda, so I say, just give a couple of decent baseballs. We go to the plate meeting, ,aforementioned adult participant has not even begun to put his lineup together, but he still has time to ask, "so where are the home teams balls???", and I point to where they were left on the backstop ledge. I say to myself, 'self, this is going to be a long game'.  I ask for the VT lineup just as soon as he completes it, and of course, it comes to me with first names and no numbers, lah me.

 

So, the game goes along rather swimmingly, with the VT taking a drubbing (big surprise). VT down about 8-0, HT squares to bunt and lays down a good bunt. VT adult participant walks out to the 1st baseline and stands there. I call time, expecting him to go visit his pitcher, but he just stands there looking at me. I say, 'yes coach?' and he says, 'the batter was out of the box when he bunted that ball'. There were no boxes left, I tell the coach that if there were boxes the batter would have been inside it. He continues to give me his opinion, and I tell him no, and let's move on.

 

After the game, my partner and I were walking off the field and this adult participant asks us, " aren't you going to stick around for the hand shakes?", we just keep walking.

 

Missed opportunity.  Look at your partner, shake his hand, and then keep walking. 

[blue23ll]

I should have done that, and also replied, " we only stick around if there is a buffet line".

[Pete Peterson Sr]

 

 

This is the type of situation where I would put him back on second because he is vacating the base because you called him out. Now had he stolen second base on say a 1-1 pitch and thought it was fouled off and started running back toward first, then it's a different story.

A foul ball is a dead ball. Why would you call him out?

I meant the runner thought it was fouled off but wasn't, so the play was still live. I didn't make that clear enough

 

 

Yes...yes, you did.  

[JaxRolo]

This is the type of situation where I would put him back on second because he is vacating the base because you called him out. Now had he stolen second base on say a 1-1 pitch and thought it was fouled off and started running back toward first, then it's a different story.

A foul ball is a dead ball. Why would you call him out?

I meant the runner thought it was fouled off but wasn't, so the play was still live. I didn't make that clear enough

Yes...yes, you did.

You are a bit late.

I already apologized for misreading. :wave:

[Replacematt]

This is straight out of MLBUM. Put him back on.

[Pete Peterson Sr]

 

 

 

 

This is the type of situation where I would put him back on second because he is vacating the base because you called him out. Now had he stolen second base on say a 1-1 pitch and thought it was fouled off and started running back toward first, then it's a different story.

A foul ball is a dead ball. Why would you call him out?

 

I meant the runner thought it was fouled off but wasn't, so the play was still live. I didn't make that clear enough

 

Yes...yes, you did.

 

You are a bit late.

I already apologized for misreading.

 

 

So ? I still had to add my $.02 into the conversation !

[JaxRolo]

This is the type of situation where I would put him back on second because he is vacating the base because you called him out. Now had he stolen second base on say a 1-1 pitch and thought it was fouled off and started running back toward first, then it's a different story.

A foul ball is a dead ball. Why would you call him out?

I meant the runner thought it was fouled off but wasn't, so the play was still live. I didn't make that clear enough

Yes...yes, you did.

You are a bit late.

I already apologized for misreading.

So ? I still had to add my $.02 into the conversation !

I've been told you you only have $.01 cents

[Jimurray]

This is straight out of MLBUM. Put him back on.

I don't see this sit in my MLBUM but I do see check swing guidance " the umpire should not rule the runner safe or out since it is ball four- unless it is appealed and ruled a strike. ...then...make the call..safe or out"

In the OP I think the proper call if you are aware of the count is nothing until you determine what the pitch was called. I have done the same thing in the OP however and put the runner back because of MY UMPIRE ERROR.

[Replacematt]

This is straight out of MLBUM. Put him back on.

I don't see this sit in my MLBUM but I do see check swing guidance " the umpire should not rule the runner safe or out since it is ball four- unless it is appealed and ruled a strike. ...then...make the call..safe or out"

In the OP I think the proper call if you are aware of the count is nothing until you determine what the pitch was called. I have done the same thing in the OP however and put the runner back because of MY UMPIRE ERROR.

It's an example under 4.12 in mine.

[Pete Peterson Sr]

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is the type of situation where I would put him back on second because he is vacating the base because you called him out. Now had he stolen second base on say a 1-1 pitch and thought it was fouled off and started running back toward first, then it's a different story.

A foul ball is a dead ball. Why would you call him out?

 

I meant the runner thought it was fouled off but wasn't, so the play was still live. I didn't make that clear enough

 

Yes...yes, you did.

 

You are a bit late.

I already apologized for misreading.

 

So ? I still had to add my $.02 into the conversation !

 

I've been told you you only have $.01 cents

 

 

And I've been telling you not to listen to Jocko, too !