Prepare for 2014: Play 2

[conbo61]

"Bases loaded, one out and a 2-1 count on the batter. The runner gets a great jump an tries to steal home. He slides over the plate, but the pitch which is a strike, hits him and bounces away. The catcher grabs it and fires to third nailing the runner from second attempting to advance, while the runner on first remains there."

 

Source: http://www.stevetheump.com/index.htm

 

Please provide rule set reference for your call.

[maven]

Hey, you stole my thread line!

 

FED:

 

The strike counts, R3's run scores, the ball is dead when it hits R3, and R1 and R2 are awarded their advance bases. NFHS 8-3-1 (see also 8.3.1A)

[conbo61]

Hey, you stole my thread line!

 

FED:

 

The strike counts, R3's run scores, the ball is dead when it hits R3, and R1 and R2 are awarded their advance bases. NFHS 8-3-1 (see also 8.3.1A)

 

NO, NO, NO!! Not steal.

 

Great idea and I just want to contribute.  Thought a separate post would help keep things in order.

[baseballfan]

OBR:

 

Ball is immediately dead. Count is now 2-2. Advance all runners one base. Run counts.

 

Applicable Rule: 5.09(h)

 

Also, check out OBR 6.05 (n) for the ruling with 2 outs and 2 strikes on the batter. 

[grayhawk]

NCAA:

 

Ball is dead.  R3 scores.  Batter now has a 2-2 count.  However, R3, who was stealing gets to keep third.  R1, who was not stealing, has to stay at first.

 

7.11s:  With two outs, a runner on third base and two strikes on the batter, the runner attempts to steal home plate on a legal pitch and the ball hits the runner in the batter’s strike zone. The umpire shall call “Strike threeâ€; the batter is out; the run shall not count. With fewer than two outs, the umpire shall call “Strike threeâ€; the ball is dead; the run counts. All other runners return to the base(s) occupied at the time of the pitch unless they were stealing with the pitch;

[BT_Blue]

So FED and OBR both agree. NCAA more or less agrees.

[JaxRolo]

FED:

 

8-3-1

ART. 1 . . . Each runner other than the batter-runner (who is governed by 8-1-2) is awarded one base when:

a. there is a balk (5-1-1a, 6-2-4) or a pitch strikes a runner (6-1-4);

 

Case Play

 

8.3.1 SITUATION A:

With R1, R2 and R3 on third, second and first bases, respectively, and (a) two outs or (b) one out, R1 attempts to steal home. With a 1-2 count, the pitch hits R1 while the ball is in the strike zone.

RULING: In both (a) and (b), ball becomes dead immediately and batter is out because of third strike. In (a), no run is scored since batter became third out. In (b), all base runners are awarded one base from where they were at time of pitch and R1 scores. (5-1-1a, 6-1-4, 8-1-1 note 1, 9-1-1a)

[maven]

So FED and OBR both agree. NCAA more or less agrees.

 

NCAA has no automatic award: like catcher INT/OBS, runners get a base only if stealing.

 

I've always thought it was an odd award. I can see killing it, but what did the defense do to deserve punishment?

[alex7]

So FED and OBR both agree. NCAA more or less agrees.

NCAA has no automatic award: like catcher INT/OBS, runners get a base only if stealing.

I've always thought it was an odd award. I can see killing it, but what did the defense do to deserve punishment? I would venture originally there was a desire to not have pitchers throw at stealing runners. But agreed, when the pitch is a strike it's odd to award bases.

[Haid D' Salaami]

NCAA:

 

Ball is dead.  R3 scores.  Batter now has a 2-2 count.  However, R3, who was stealing gets to keep third.  R1, who was not stealing, has to stay at first.

 

7.11s:  With two outs, a runner on third base and two strikes on the batter, the runner attempts to steal home plate on a legal pitch and the ball hits the runner in the batter’s strike zone. The umpire shall call “Strike threeâ€; the batter is out; the run shall not count. With fewer than two outs, the umpire shall call “Strike threeâ€; the ball is dead; the run counts. All other runners return to the base(s) occupied at the time of the pitch unless they were stealing with the pitch;

[catcher]

Why count the run with less than two outs, but not count it with two? I've been racking my brain, and I can't figure it out.

[FlaUmp22]

Why count the run with less than two outs, but not count it with two? I've been racking my brain, and I can't figure it out.

 

If the batter has 2 strikes and the ball hits R3 over the strike zone it is strike 3... with less than 2 out it is just another out, time is called, and the inning proceeds.

 

With 2 outs, when it hits the runner and the ball passes through the strike zone time is called and it is strike 3, and no runs can score when the batter runner is retired for the 3rd out before reaching first base.

 

Edit: This is my 200th post