Interesting inside-the-parker

[Gfoley4]

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=29984469&partnerId=as_mlb_20130824_11156964&topic_id=56050324

 

Man, everything is going wrong for the White Sox this year.

[hbk314]

And Hawk Harrelson sounded mostly sane.

 

Still wrong, but sane, at least.

[zoops]

If Viciedo would have thrown his hands up, would this have been killed and an award of 2nd base made?  

[mstaylor]

If he doesn't dig it out it is probably two bases, but when he pulled it out the umpire had nothing to rule on. I had a fielder do that,I looked at the coach, he nods and says he understands. Then he said the fielder is an athlete not a scholar.<br /><br />Sent from my C771 using Tapatalk 2<br /><br />

[afaber12]

It'd be simpler here to let it play out, then work out it actually is stuck and call the runner(s) back, than to kill it early then try and work out where they should or would have been. There's a ground I've called several games on where there's some bushes along the right-centre fence (the fence between the park and the houses in the next street over). I've said at every plate meeting that per the ground rules its two bases if it goes into them, but if the player just keeps going after it, then the runners can keep going: especially when I'm the only umpire for the game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

[afaber12]

Almost the exact same thing happened to me today! (The game started 12 minutes after my last post. I was in the change-room ready to go, not fiddling about on the net running late for the game.) Bases loaded, ball hit between F9 and the line - a big target given how they were playing the outfield - goes out to the fence. As BR is rounding 2B, F9 puts his hands up then goes for the ball, gets it and throws it in with BR standing up at 3B. Defence is pleading for the ground rule double, saying the ball rolled under a gate in the fence. (Car/ambulance access to the field from the road.)

 

Because of the slope of the field - overall its tilted down towards the 1BL, but also has a hump from the line out to left-centre field, the infield/left field side being steeper and lower than the centre/right field side - I couldn't see the bottom of the fence from the plate area. Neither my partner nor I called time during the play, but we got together to see what each saw and what we were going to rule, and we decided that because F9 had continued to play for the ball and had gotten the ball, that it remained in play and left BR at 3B.

 

The DM wants to argue that it went under the fence - I later he went up to his elbow under the gate to reach the ball - and that his F9 put his hands up, so we should have killed it then. I told him that given he kept playing for the ball that it was still live. "But he's a new player in his first season." This argument does nothing for me when the team is leading in the grand final, having qualified directly by beating the minor premiers two weeks ago. It does nothing for me most if not all of the time, but especially not today. I explained to the manager that umpire's are not expected to explain the rules of the game, such as when one of his runners got himself out on a dropped infield fly by tearing off for 2B when neither of the other runners moved. "But he put his hands up!" To this I pointed out that if the rules said that when a fielder puts his hands up its a two-base hit, any time a ball was hit into a gap heading for the wall, perhaps with a speedy R1, let alone a no-doubt home run ball headed for the next postcode (Australian->American translation: "zip code") that every outfielder would throw their hands up straight away to only have a double. Not suprisingly he didn't have an answer for that one, and I headed back to the plate.

[mstaylor]

The hoolding hands up is for when you aren't sure it went out and the outfielder is informing you that he thinks it is. The procedure is to leave it live until play finishes and then go look. If it is intend out then bring them back to the two base award. If you see the player elbow deep under the gate, then you certainly know it is out, so you can then kill it. If it is just beyond the gate, it is just as OOP, but you can't tell, if the fielder reaches under and pulls it then he has taken the evidence away. If it is just beyond, you can't tell, fielder raises his hands, fielder opts to leave it. At the end of play, BU goes out and takes a look, if it is indeed OOP, then enforce the award. The defense takes the chance that the fielder isn't BSing and it is truly OOP. 

[dumbdumb]

The hoolding hands up is for when you aren't sure it went out and the outfielder is informing you that he thinks it is. The procedure is to leave it live until play finishes and then go look. If it is intend out then bring them back to the two base award. If you see the player elbow deep under the gate, then you certainly know it is out, so you can then kill it. If it is just beyond the gate, it is just as OOP, but you can't tell, if the fielder reaches under and pulls it then he has taken the evidence away. If it is just beyond, you can't tell, fielder raises his hands, fielder opts to leave it. At the end of play, BU goes out and takes a look, if it is indeed OOP, then enforce the award. The defense takes the chance that the fielder isn't BSing and it is truly OOP. 

Sounds right out of the umpire school you attended. Same story from that guy I met. He said one of the instructors told the story of a player who put his hands up and when the BU in a 2 man went out to the fence, the ball was butted up against the base (not under or lodged) of the fence in a little dip on the warning track. The player/outfielder was trying to deke the umpires. Obviously it did not work and the player/batter continued to run as his manager (3B coach) kept yelling at him that the ball was still live. The player got the inside the park home run. Come on, would a player try to deke the umpire??????????????? Yep, and if the umpire had not gone out to make sure (what a lazy butt, accepting the player's signal, when trying to move up to a MLB job) the ball had/had not gone out of play, he probably would have been dinged big time on an evaluation.

[Concernedcitizen2]

Is the 1B ump slow in rotating on this as well?  It seems like if the throw had been on line he would have been completely out of position to make the call here.