Out or not?

[JaxRolo]

Got this from Referee Magazine

 

Seems like a good discussion question. Different answers by Umpires on Facebook.

 

What do you have for this BASEBALL play?
Batter B7 has a 1-2 count. The next pitch comes in, but bounces before it gets to the plate. B7 still swings at the pitch and nicks it with his bat. The ball then goes directly to the catcher’s mitt. Since the pitch bounced, can that be considered a foul tip? Or is it just a foul ball?

[Thunderheads]

I'll stab at it first ....who cares .....

 

By definition of a catch, I believe it mentions this about the catcher ....that's not considered clean

[LMSANS]

Foul!

[noumpere]

Foul tip.  Its still a batted ball.

 

JR had it the other way for many years but was finally convinced to see the light.

 

If you just have it as "foul" then you wouldn't allow, for example, a home run, or a 'foul fly down the line on which a runner tags and advances"

[Thunderheads]

Foul tip.  Its still a batted ball.

 

JR had it the other way for many years but was finally convinced to see the light.

It is a batted ball, but the pitch was not caught according to the definition, yes?

 

Of course I'm just having a little fun with this, but it is interesting

[LMSANS]

Foul tip.  Its still a batted ball.

 

JR had it the other way for many years but was finally convinced to see the light.

 

If you just have it as "foul" then you wouldn't allow, for example, a home run, or a 'foul fly down the line on which a runner tags and advances"

I sit corrected...your logic is good

[Thunderheads]

Foul tip.  Its still a batted ball.

 

JR had it the other way for many years but was finally convinced to see the light.

 

If you just have it as "foul" then you wouldn't allow, for example, a home run, or a 'foul fly down the line on which a runner tags and advances"

Ahhhh hahhhhhhhh!!!!   you must have added that, I didn't see it .........that makes perfect sense

[blue23ll]

The only thing you can't have on a bounced pitch is a called strike. You can still have a foul ball, a home run, a swinging strike, and a foul tip, basically anything you can have with a swing.  I once had a coach try to tell me that the batter couldn't hit a single on a bounced pitch, and I asked why? He said the ball was dead when it hit the ground, so I asked him why do players advance on pitches in the dirt? He looked at me, shook his head and walked away.

[Mudder]

The only thing you can't have on a bounced pitch is a called strike..

 

So if a bounced pitch bounces up through the zone to the catcher, and batter does not swing, that wouldn't be a called strike?

[JaxRolo]

 

The only thing you can't have on a bounced pitch is a called strike..

 

So if a bounced pitch bounces up through the zone to the catcher, and batter does not swing, that wouldn't be a called strike?

 

no

[BigUmp56]

The only thing you can't have on a bounced pitch is a called strike. You can still have a foul ball, a home run, a swinging strike, and a foul tip, basically anything you can have with a swing.  I once had a coach try to tell me that the batter couldn't hit a single on a bounced pitch, and I asked why? He said the ball was dead when it hit the ground, so I asked him why do players advance on pitches in the dirt? He looked at me, shook his head and walked away.

 

 

Almost the only thing. You can also have an uncaught third strike. I know that you understand this, but there are way too many new umpires who still call it a "dropped third strike", that may not understand the distinction.

 

Tim.

[basejester]

I don't think this really makes it clear, but this is the language we need to interpret.

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A BALL is a pitch which does not enter the strike zone in flight and is not struck at

by the batter.

Rule 2.00 (Ball) Comment: If the pitch touches the ground and bounces through the strike

zone it is a “ball.†If such a pitch touches the batter, he shall be awarded first base. If the batter swings

at such a pitch after two strikes, the ball cannot be caught, for the purposes of Rule 6.05 © and 6.09

(b). If the batter hits such a pitch, the ensuing action shall be the same as if he hit the ball in flight.

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This strictly only applies for pitches that bounce into the strikezone, but we have other bounces, and I assume they would be ruled the same.

If we put the bold on the last sentence and consider the nick of the ball a "hit", then the ball is still in-flight from the hit. (I think this is right.)

If we put the bold on the next to last sentence, then it's an uncaught third strike.

[noumpere]

 

The only thing you can't have on a bounced pitch is a called strike..

 

So if a bounced pitch bounces up through the zone to the catcher, and batter does not swing, that wouldn't be a called strike?

 

Seriously?

[Rich Ives]

I don't think this really makes it clear, but this is the language we need to interpret.

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A BALL is a pitch which does not enter the strike zone in flight and is not struck at

by the batter.

Rule 2.00 (Ball) Comment: If the pitch touches the ground and bounces through the strike

zone it is a “ball.†If such a pitch touches the batter, he shall be awarded first base. If the batter swings

at such a pitch after two strikes, the ball cannot be caught, for the purposes of Rule 6.05 © and 6.09

(b). If the batter hits such a pitch, the ensuing action shall be the same as if he hit the ball in flight.

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This strictly only applies for pitches that bounce into the strikezone, but we have other bounces, and I assume they would be ruled the same.

If we put the bold on the last sentence and consider the nick of the ball a "hit", then the ball is still in-flight from the hit. (I think this is right.)

If we put the bold on the next to last sentence, then it's an uncaught third strike.

 

 

Once it's hit it is a batted ball and no longer a pitch. Therefore the "such a pitch after two strikes" is moot because it is no longer a pitch.

[HeadHunterLA]

 

 

The only thing you can't have on a bounced pitch is a called strike..

 

So if a bounced pitch bounces up through the zone to the catcher, and batter does not swing, that wouldn't be a called strike?

 

Seriously?

 

LMAO

[Larry in TN]

Seriously?

 

 

"That was a wicked googly!"

[iankelleyumpire]

Foul tip. 

 

The pitch is still a live ball even if it bounces, and it bounces before the batter swings and makes contact, followed by the C catching the ball, therefore no chance for the ball to go foul unless he drops or does not catch it, or the ball clearly lands somewhere in foul territory.

 

Basejester's rule he put up puts it in rulebook lingo, but when it comes down to it, it is still a foul tip, as well as a live ball still.  

[mstaylor]

I always ask out they teach their catchers to block pitches. Of course. Then I ask why, the ball is dead when it hits the ground, according to you. They always say, well no not in that case. So it is a sometimes, automatic dead ball. Then walk away.

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