CCA 3 Man Mechanics

[ukce1861]

Hey Umpire-Empire, long time no talk...  Had twins last August and it's been a whirlwind since then, so I haven't really been around. 

 

I'm hoping some of you fine gentlemen can help me out.  I've got playoff games tomorrow and Thursday and we're doing three-man CCA mechanics.  We were supposed to get a handout with those, but haven't.  Looking online, I can't find anything definitive of what that is.  Can someone point me in the right direction?  Diagrams would be great, but written is fine too.

 

Thanks!

[johnnyg08]

Well, CCA is copyrighted, so it's not likely that .pdfs are freely floating around the web.  

 

 

Put your least experienced umpire at third.

 

I'll let others respond w/ more specifics.  

[Fittske24]

The only source I know of is the CCA book sold at Honigs and UA. You probably won't find anything on CCA mechanics online. The do a good job of not providing digital copies of their mechanics manuals.

[johnnyg08]

Now that I think about it...

 

What you could do is reach out to an NCAA umpire in your area and see if he'll let you have one of his old manuals from a previous year.  He gets a new one every year so the old ones are pretty much garbage.

 

If you work three man every now and then, an old manual will do just fine.  

 

Good luck.

[noumpere]

 

Put your least experienced umpire at third.

 

  

Disagree with that entirely.

 

On the OP I think it depends on whether you've worked any 3 man at all and just need to know the CCA differences or if this is your first time to 3-man.

[Jimurray]

This http://www.northbaydbms.net/baseball_mechanics_3umps/3man_umpiring_simplified.pdf might help.

[zm1283]

I still think putting the least experienced 3-man umpire on the plate is the best idea.  There are only a few rotations in 3-man CCA mechanics now so it shouldn't be incredibly difficult.  

 

With that said, throwing umpires into a 3-umpire crew when they have little experience is a disaster waiting to happen.  I've seen it firsthand and it can go badly.  They would be better off just using two guys or going to 4-man and telling everyone to stay at their base.  

[noumpere]

I still think putting the least experienced 3-man umpire on the plate is the best idea.  There are only a few rotations in 3-man CCA mechanics now so it shouldn't be incredibly difficult.  

 

With that said, throwing umpires into a 3-umpire crew when they have little experience is a disaster waiting to happen.  I've seen it firsthand and it can go badly.  They would be better off just using two guys or going to 4-man and telling everyone to stay at their base.  

Yes to your first part.

 

On the second, I prefer Lance's 17 man mechanics.  You could just assume that U4 - U17 all then went down.

[johnnyg08]

 

 

Put your least experienced umpire at third.

 

  

Disagree with that entirely.

 

On the OP I think it depends on whether you've worked any 3 man at all and just need to know the CCA differences or if this is your first time to 3-man.

 

 

 

Maybe I should've written that better...your least experienced "Three Man Mechanic" umpire at third base.  

[johnnyg08]

I still think putting the least experienced 3-man umpire on the plate is the best idea.  There are only a few rotations in 3-man CCA mechanics now so it shouldn't be incredibly difficult.  

 

With that said, throwing umpires into a 3-umpire crew when they have little experience is a disaster waiting to happen.  I've seen it firsthand and it can go badly.  They would be better off just using two guys or going to 4-man and telling everyone to stay at their base.  

 

 

There are several things that can go bad in three man.  Typically 1bu will forget to slide w/ B/R or PU forgets to rotate up to third. 

 

But if you're going to work three man, all umpires need to keep their heads on swivels  

[maven]

On the second, I prefer Lance's 17 man mechanics.  You could just assume that U4 - U17 all then went down.

Hm, last I saw Lance's manual, it was 13-umpire, not 17. He had one at each base plus one for each fielder. No rotations.

 

And yes, that means 2 guys at the plate.

[ukce1861]

This http://www.northbaydbms.net/baseball_mechanics_3umps/3man_umpiring_simplified.pdf might help.

I saw this and it looked good - I just wasn't sure if it matches CCA.  Thanks!

[noumpere]

 

On the second, I prefer Lance's 17 man mechanics.  You could just assume that U4 - U17 all then went down.

Hm, last I saw Lance's manual, it was 13-umpire, not 17. He had one at each base plus one for each fielder. No rotations.

 

And yes, that means 2 guys at the plate.

 

Well with all those guys working 1 man in the other threads it frees up 4 additional umpires for Lances advanced mechanics for the 21.2nd century.  Gotta keep up with the times.

[johnnyg08]

 

On the second, I prefer Lance's 17 man mechanics.  You could just assume that U4 - U17 all then went down.

Hm, last I saw Lance's manual, it was 13-umpire, not 17. He had one at each base plus one for each fielder. No rotations.

 

And yes, that means 2 guys at the plate.

 

 

 

Is there a link for Lance's material?

[maven]

Is there a link for Lance's material?

Yes. :D

[BigUmpire]

 

Is there a link for Lance's material?

Yes.

 

This is why they don't send donkeys to school.

[dumbdumb]

Could not find the actual 2013 rules, just 2013 changes, but the old 2011-2012 rules and the 2012 changes and 2013 changes should get you close.

 

 

 

 

http://cbuao.com/uploads/files/pdf/rules/2011-2012_ncaa_baseball_rules.pdf

 

http://cbuao.com/uploads/files/pdf/rules/2012rcandpofe.pdf

 

http://cbuao.com/uploads/files/pdf/2013/2013_ncaa_baseball_rules_changes.pdf

[Minnz]

I agree with the folks who say start the least experienced guy at the plate IF it is a series.  If you only have one game your best guy goes behind the plate.

[Minnz]

This http://www.northbaydbms.net/baseball_mechanics_3umps/3man_umpiring_simplified.pdf might help.

The one issue I have is they want the 1st base umpire at B with a runner on 2nd.  Should say EXCEPT when 2 outs correct?  With runner on 2B and 2 outs we move the first base guy back to A and bring third base ump to C.

[noumpere]

 

This http://www.northbaydbms.net/baseball_mechanics_3umps/3man_umpiring_simplified.pdf might help.

The one issue I have is they want the 1st base umpire at B with a runner on 2nd.  Should say EXCEPT when 2 outs correct?  With runner on 2B and 2 outs we move the first base guy back to A and bring third base ump to C.

 

Some do this including now CCA (with a change about 3 years ago?).  Before that CCA didn't move based on the number of outs.  I prefer that way but work what I'm told.