Balk?

[noumpere]

The requirement for F1 to come to a complete stop in the set position is to protect who - the batter or the runner? I'm having a problem seeing where F1 gains an advantage on the runner if he blows through the stop and pitches to the batter. Please explain.

All balk rules are to protect the runner.  That's why (except for FED) most of the things aren't illegal if there aren't any runners -- for example your play where the pitcher doesn't stop in the set position.  that's perfectly legal with no runners in NCAA and PRO.

 

That said I think this thread from 6 months ago had to do with a hanging leg and not a no stop balk.

[jjskitours]

What argument? I must have missed it. I'm just curious as to the MAIN reason for a stop in the set position. Obviously the rule was set for a reason. I'm just trying to picture R1 watching the pitcher and trying to get a jump. What is he keying off of? The non pivot leg I would guess. Now the batter would seem to benefit from the stop by knowing the next movement may very well be the pitch. Just curious since in FED it is required even with no runners. 

[ricka56]

What argument? I must have missed it. I'm just curious as to the MAIN reason for a stop in the set position. Obviously the rule was set for a reason. I'm just trying to picture R1 watching the pitcher and trying to get a jump. What is he keying off of? The non pivot leg I would guess. Now the batter would seem to benefit from the stop by knowing the next movement may very well be the pitch. Just curious since in FED it is required even with no runners. 

If F1 wasn't required to stop, he would have a big advantage (I'm not going to list all the reasons why).

 

If you're dwelling on why this rule is in place, you may want to dwell else where.

 

I've never given a penalty "ball" for F1 not stopping with no one on in a Fed game.

[Scratch Franzeo]

 

 

NFHS rules, 6.2.4 Balk. If there is a runner or runners, any of the following acts by a pitcher while he is touching the pitcher's plate is a balk:

 

d. failing to pitch to the batter in a continuous motion immediately after any movement of any part of the body such as he habitually uses in his delivery;

 

Just my

 

Hanging his leg at the apex of his kick does not meet the "a continuous motion ... in his delivery."  I understand that the pitcher is indeed "in motion" if he moves his glove when he hangs his leg; but, this is not "a continuous motion."

 

If I see it, "TIME ... THAT'S A BALK!!!"

[grayhawk]

NFHS rules, 6.2.4 Balk. If there is a runner or runners, any of the following acts by a pitcher while he is touching the pitcher's plate is a balk: d. failing to pitch to the batter in a continuous motion immediately after any movement of any part of the body such as he habitually uses in his delivery;

Just my Hanging his leg at the apex of his kick does not meet the "a continuous motion ... in his delivery." I understand that the pitcher is indeed "in motion" if he moves his glove when he hangs his leg; but, this is not "a continuous motion." If I see it, "TIME ... THAT'S A BALK!!!" I'm not smart enough to call time first only in Fed games, so for me it's "That's a balk!... Time!" Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

[basejester]

Disagree. It's a balk for starting and stopping, or a double set. If something is stll moving, it's not stopping or coming set again.

 

I would like to see any rule or authoritative case justification for your ruling.

Starting and stopping is not the same thing as a double set. The rule mandates a continuous motion, not set once. There's no reason to look for the standard of set a second time.

If you don't get the pitcher for lack of "continuous motion" when he hangs his leg, when do you get him? I mean, I think we should start from the assumption the rule means something.

[mstaylor]

What argument? I must have missed it. I'm just curious as to the MAIN reason for a stop in the set position. Obviously the rule was set for a reason. I'm just trying to picture R1 watching the pitcher and trying to get a jump. What is he keying off of? The non pivot leg I would guess. Now the batter would seem to benefit from the stop by knowing the next movement may very well be the pitch. Just curious since in FED it is required even with no runners. 

The requirement on federation is a LCD rule and bears no resemblance to anything else.

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[JaxRolo]

NFHS rules, 6.2.4 Balk. If there is a runner or runners, any of the following acts by a pitcher while he is touching the pitcher's plate is a balk: d. failing to pitch to the batter in a continuous motion immediately after any movement of any part of the body such as he habitually uses in his delivery;

Just my Hanging his leg at the apex of his kick does not meet the "a continuous motion ... in his delivery." I understand that the pitcher is indeed "in motion" if he moves his glove when he hangs his leg; but, this is not "a continuous motion." If I see it, "TIME ... THAT'S A BALK!!!" I'm not smart enough... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free We know! :wave:

[Pete Peterson Sr]

 

 

I will take  Bam and Sdix's side on this one.

 

I will call the leg hanging every time.  

 

Same question - what is the rule basis?

 

The pitcher is employing a tactic that is being used to deceive the baserunner. That would make it a balk

 

Using that logic, a well-played hidden ball trick should be a balk, also, right ?