new fed hybrid balk

[RC@54OUTS]

I was wondering how the guys that do Fed HS ball are doing with the new hybrid balk. It's still early in the season and very few coaches seem to know about it. It's a rule that I really don't like and hate to enforce. But like it or not I'll have to call it and handle the crap that follows. I'm sure the coaches didn't get the memo on it. I get the "what the hell are you talking about" look when I bring it up.

[scrounge]

It's not really new, just reemphasizing the rule all along. As long as they can't throw to a base from the windup without disengaging, I understand why no hybrids should be allowed. I don't think it's a big deal, frankly. If you can catch it in warmups, kill it then. If not, maybe a warning early in the season, or just balk it. They'll learn and adjust and if they don't like it, whatever.

[bam]

Our rules interpreter had a meeting with all the coaches and this was a point of emphasis. Which is to say, the first time someone calls it, a coach will come unglued.

It's a horseSH*# rule. I don't know where it came from, but whoever decided it was a good idea is seriously misguided. As far as I'm concerned, that's considered being in the windup and if the pitcher goes directly to first, I'll balk it.

[johnnyg08]

I was wondering how the guys that do Fed HS ball are doing with the new hybrid balk. It's still early in the season and very few coaches seem to know about it. It's a rule that I really don't like and hate to enforce. But like it or not I'll have to call it and handle the crap that follows. I'm sure the coaches didn't get the memo on it. I get the "what the hell are you talking about" look when I bring it up.

 

 

Keep calling it, they'll figure it out.  Make sure you know the rule inside and out.

[JaxRolo]

What Hybrid balk? Our HS season is 3/4 done and I don't remember hearing about this!

[RC@54OUTS]

Don't know about Ohio but it's new here. Essentially and this is a very rough breakdown of the rule. In a wind up both feet have to be facing the plate and across the rubber. Not one foot on and one off the end. In the stretch both feet have to be in front of the rubber and facing first or third. We received a handout with pictures of right and wrong where a pitcher can put his feet at the beginning of our meetings.

[JaxRolo]

Don't know about Ohio but it's new here. Essentially and this is a very rough breakdown of the rule. In a wind up both feet have to be facing the plate and across the rubber. Not one foot on and one off the end. In the stretch both feet have to be in front of the rubber and facing first or third. We received a handout with pictures of right and wrong where a pitcher can put his feet at the beginning of our meetings.

 

Ok yes I have seen that.

 

We were told not to see it by our association.

[bam]

This:

[bam]

Don't know about Ohio but it's new here. Essentially and this is a very rough breakdown of the rule. In a wind up both feet have to be facing the plate and across the rubber. Not one foot on and one off the end. In the stretch both feet have to be in front of the rubber and facing first or third. We received a handout with pictures of right and wrong where a pitcher can put his feet at the beginning of our meetings.

 

Ok yes I have seen that.

 

We were told not to see it by our association.

See what?

[RichMSN]

It's not new for NFHS rules. Maybe something nobody looked for, but the definition of legal set and windup positions haven't changed and the slide in this thread shows what's always been an illegal position. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

[JaxRolo]

 

Don't know about Ohio but it's new here. Essentially and this is a very rough breakdown of the rule. In a wind up both feet have to be facing the plate and across the rubber. Not one foot on and one off the end. In the stretch both feet have to be in front of the rubber and facing first or third. We received a handout with pictures of right and wrong where a pitcher can put his feet at the beginning of our meetings.

 

Ok yes I have seen that.

 

We were told not to see it by our association.

See what?

See them standing illegally

[bam]

 

 

 

See what?

See them standing illegally

 

I say, I say,that was a joke, son.

[JaxRolo]

 

 

 

 

See what?

See them standing illegally

 

I say, I say,that was a joke, son.

I'm a little slow!

[scrounge]

Don't know about Ohio but it's new here. Essentially and this is a very rough breakdown of the rule. In a wind up both feet have to be facing the plate and across the rubber. Not one foot on and one off the end. In the stretch both feet have to be in front of the rubber and facing first or third. We received a handout with pictures of right and wrong where a pitcher can put his feet at the beginning of our meetings.

 

Someone's misinterpreting it then.  Both feet don't have to be on the rubber, the free foot in the wind up just can't be entirely in FRONT of the front edge of the rubber extended. And in the set the free foot has to be in front - no guide to which way it points.

[bam]

Don't know about Ohio but it's new here. Essentially and this is a very rough breakdown of the rule. In a wind up both feet have to be facing the plate and across the rubber. Not one foot on and one off the end. In the stretch both feet have to be in front of the rubber and facing first or third. We received a handout with pictures of right and wrong where a pitcher can put his feet at the beginning of our meetings.

Not true.  One foot can be off in the windup:

[BalkHawk]

I had this last night, I couldn't hear myself saying "his foot wasn't quite perpendicular to the rubber, skip. That's why I just balked your guy with the bases jammed and he's not even looking at the runners." So, instead, I took a couple steps forward from the "c" position and made a point to look at the alignment of his feet, then I looked directly at the manager, then fell back to "c" again. 

Same pitcher the next inning, only the "hybrid" set magically disappeared. 

[JaxRolo]

I had this last night, I couldn't hear myself saying "his foot wasn't quite perpendicular to the rubber, skip. That's why I just balked your guy with the bases jammed and he's not even looking at the runners." So, instead, I took a couple steps forward from the "c" position and made a point to look at the alignment of his feet, then I looked directly at the manager, then fell back to "c" again. Same pitcher the next inning, only the "hybrid" set magically disappeared.

which it was always that easy!

[guitarplaya2007]

I had this last night, I couldn't hear myself saying "his foot wasn't quite perpendicular to the rubber, skip. That's why I just balked your guy with the bases jammed and he's not even looking at the runners." So, instead, I took a couple steps forward from the "c" position and made a point to look at the alignment of his feet, then I looked directly at the manager, then fell back to "c" again. 

Same pitcher the next inning, only the "hybrid" set magically disappeared. 

Wish all managers were this attentive and knowledgable to understand and think when you do this "You know i bet he was thinking 'he's getting pretty close to being in an illegal pitching position' i might want to say something to my pitcher and let him know he needs to fix that" Usually it's "What the he!! is he looking at? he's just an a$$"

[GoodOldGus]

For it to be a balk, the non-pivot foot (while in the windup) has to be completely IN FRONT of the extended line from the front edge of the rubber.  I think it should be pretty obvious if a pitcher's entire foot is in front of the line.  I don't have a problem with the rule.

[RC@54OUTS]

My bad. As shown in the picture the free foot can be off the end of the rubber in the wind up. I like the exaggerated look at the pitchers feet to send a message to an informed coach. But he has to be informed. But that's the challenge. Right?

[Jocko]

For those who call it, WHEN do you call it? When he assumes it or when he sets?

[bam]

For those who call it, WHEN do you call it? When he assumes it or when he sets?

Once he commences to pitch. 

[Jocko]

Here's my thought... Once he stes, he's assumed an illegal position. That's when I balk it.

[JaxRolo]

Here's my thought... Once he stes, he's assumed an illegal position. That's when I balk it.

I would do it when he sets.

[Richvee]

I had this last night, I couldn't hear myself saying "his foot wasn't quite perpendicular to the rubber, skip. 

I'm not sure I'm understanding this. The regulations for the windup is the free foot has to on or behind a line extending from the front edge of the plate. For a legal set, his entire pivot foot must be in contact with or directly in front of the pitcher's plate. His non pivot foot must be in front of a line extending through the front edge of the pitcher's plate. His non pivot doesn't need to be perpendicular to the rubber. If you mean from the set his PIVOT foot isn't perpendicular, I believe this would be an illegal set in any code. I've never seen a pitcher try to come set with the pivot foot "across" the rubber.