NCAA Test

[Stretch]

97 on the NCAA test, I am curious to know which one I missed?  I guess I'll find out in a couple of days.

[johnnyg08]

97 on the NCAA test, I am curious to know which one I missed?  I guess I'll find out in a couple of days.

 

Very good score.  Highest I've seen.  Nice work. 

[Stretch]

Thank you.  The rest of my weekend will be worry free as far as the test goes, except for which question got me.

[johnnyg08]

Thank you.  The rest of my weekend will be worry free as far as the test goes, except for which question got me.

 

 

Do you have any guesses as to which one?  Video question?

[Stretch]

I'm not sure.  I did not like the answers for the video showing the possible batter's interference.

[johnnyg08]

I'm not sure.  I did not like the answers for the video showing the possible batter's interference.

 

 

Agree.  Judgment questions on a test are difficult.  I suppose that's the point, but they still make for tough test questions.  

[RichMSN]

Personally, I think questions on a test shouldn't come down to the whim of the test writer. I haven't had a single thought about the test since I took and passed it a week ago. To me it's another requirement completed. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

[noumpere]

97 on the NCAA test, I am curious to know which one I missed?  I guess I'll find out in a couple of days.

Just got back late last night and took the test this morning.  Got 98.

 

was helped by some sending me some of the questions and the discussions here.

[Stretch]

Nice job.

[zm1283]

Okay I have two that I missed that I have a problem with.

 

Question #44

R2, no outs. A catcher short-hops a throw to the first baseman after fielding a bunted ball. The first baseman, unable to hold onto the poorly thrown ball, was bothered by the batter-runner advancing outside the running lane.

 

a. A batter-runner can only interfere with a thrown ball if his actions are intentional.

 

b. The play requires the plate umpire to judge whether the batter-runner interfered with the attempted catch of the thrown ball, despite the fact that the throw was in the dirt, since F3 still had a reasonable opportunity to glove the ball.

 

c. Interference should be called. R2 is awarded third base.

 

d. The play stands. The poor throw rids any interference penalties

They made it a point at the NCAA meeting to say that a quality throw is still required to get runner's lane INT.  The question above clearly says "poorly thrown ball", which to me means it was not a quality throw, so I answered D.  They wanted B instead.  I don't consider a throw in the dirt to be a quality throw when it comes to runner's lane INT, but that's just me.

 

 

a. This runner must be tagged to be out in this situation.

 

b. This runner is out of the baseline (more than three-feet around the fielder); therefore, is out if the fielder has caught the relay throw. The fielder must have possession of the relay throw and be preparing to tag a runner for the “being out of the baseline†provision to apply.

 

c. For the being “out of the baseline principle†to apply, the fielder must have secured the ball and be attempting a tag.

 

d. All of the above answers are correct.

These are the choices for the rundown video of R2 between second and third that we discussed at length. They wanted D for an answer, I put B.  This still makes no sense t me whatsoever.  How can you say that the runner must be tagged out (A), then say in B that he is out of the baseline (If he's out of the baseline he doesn't have to be tagged.  Then C is correct in context with the video itself.  I just really hate these choices.  The video itself is great, but they could have written better choices that tested our knowledge of the rule without trying to trick everyone.  

[Stretch]

The 2 questions that got me:

 

R2, no outs. A catcher short-hops a throw to the first baseman after fielding a bunted ball. The first baseman, unable to hold onto the poorly thrown ball, was bothered by the batter-runner advancing outside the running lane.

 

a. A batter-runner can only interfere with a thrown ball if his actions are intentional.

 

b. The play stands. The poor throw rids any interference penalties.

 

c. Interference should be called. R2 is awarded third base.

 

d. The play requires the plate umpire to judge whether the batter-runner interfered with the attempted catch of the thrown ball, despite the fact that the throw was in the dirt, since F3 still had a reasonable opportunity to glove the ball.

 

I was between B and D.  In Chicago, I was pretty sure they said we were not getting interference on a poor throw so I went with B.  Correct answer is D.  I see where D is the more complete answer however.  Explanation 7-11p, A.R. 1, A.R. 2

 

 

 

 

R1, no outs. Batter hits a high pop-up to F9. R1 goes part way to second. BR rounds first hard while watching F9 but pays no attention to R1. BR passes R1; then, realizing his error, he heads back to first, passing R1 in the opposite direction. At that point, F9 loses the ball in the sun and cannot make the catch. R1 ends up safely on second and BR at first when the ball is returned to the infield.

 

a. BR is out the moment he passes any preceding runner, but the umpire should not declare the BR out until the ball hits the ground.

 

b. The play stands. Both runners are safe. The passing of runners is ignored on any fly ball and is only considered on ground balls.

 

c. BR is immediately out when he passes R1, and the umpire would emphatically declare the BR out the moment he observes the passing.

 

d. The play stands. Both runners are safe. As long as they pass each other again before the ball hits the ground or is touched by a fielder, apply the "last time by" principle. No violation.

 

I went with A.  Correct answer is C. Explanation 8-5m

[zm1283]

The 2 questions that got me:

 

R2, no outs. A catcher short-hops a throw to the first baseman after fielding a bunted ball. The first baseman, unable to hold onto the poorly thrown ball, was bothered by the batter-runner advancing outside the running lane.

 

a. A batter-runner can only interfere with a thrown ball if his actions are intentional.

 

b. The play stands. The poor throw rids any interference penalties.

 

c. Interference should be called. R2 is awarded third base.

 

d. The play requires the plate umpire to judge whether the batter-runner interfered with the attempted catch of the thrown ball, despite the fact that the throw was in the dirt, since F3 still had a reasonable opportunity to glove the ball.

 

I was between B and D.  In Chicago, I was pretty sure they said we were not getting interference on a poor throw so I went with B.  Correct answer is D.  I see where D is the more complete answer however.  Explanation 7-11p, A.R. 1, A.R. 2

 

 

 

 

R1, no outs. Batter hits a high pop-up to F9. R1 goes part way to second. BR rounds first hard while watching F9 but pays no attention to R1. BR passes R1; then, realizing his error, he heads back to first, passing R1 in the opposite direction. At that point, F9 loses the ball in the sun and cannot make the catch. R1 ends up safely on second and BR at first when the ball is returned to the infield.

 

a. BR is out the moment he passes any preceding runner, but the umpire should not declare the BR out until the ball hits the ground.

 

b. The play stands. Both runners are safe. The passing of runners is ignored on any fly ball and is only considered on ground balls.

 

c. BR is immediately out when he passes R1, and the umpire would emphatically declare the BR out the moment he observes the passing.

 

d. The play stands. Both runners are safe. As long as they pass each other again before the ball hits the ground or is touched by a fielder, apply the "last time by" principle. No violation.

 

I went with A.  Correct answer is C. Explanation 8-5m

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Your first question is the one I posted about on the last page just a minute ago. 

 

The second question is interesting.  I went with C and got it right, but the consensus on here the other day was that A was correct. 

[jjskitours]

zm - re the video question. NFHS test did a similar thing with one of their questions by using the word "must". For me, it was a poor choice of words. If you are going for an all of the above type answer,

you should use the word "may". IMO

[Haid D' Salaami]

I still think that calling a runner out Emphatically on passing is wrong, cause if the ball is caught there is no passing.

[noumpere]

Okay I have two that I missed that I have a problem with.

 

 

Question #44

R2, no outs. A catcher short-hops a throw to the first baseman after fielding a bunted ball. The first baseman, unable to hold onto the poorly thrown ball, was bothered by the batter-runner advancing outside the running lane.

 

a. A batter-runner can only interfere with a thrown ball if his actions are intentional.

 

b. The play requires the plate umpire to judge whether the batter-runner interfered with the attempted catch of the thrown ball, despite the fact that the throw was in the dirt, since F3 still had a reasonable opportunity to glove the ball.

 

c. Interference should be called. R2 is awarded third base.

 

d. The play stands. The poor throw rids any interference penalties

They made it a point at the NCAA meeting to say that a quality throw is still required to get runner's lane INT.  The question above clearly says "poorly thrown ball", which to me means it was not a quality throw, so I answered D.  They wanted B instead.  I don't consider a throw in the dirt to be a quality throw when it comes to runner's lane INT, but that's just me.

 

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a. This runner must be tagged to be out in this situation.

 

b. This runner is out of the baseline (more than three-feet around the fielder); therefore, is out if the fielder has caught the relay throw. The fielder must have possession of the relay throw and be preparing to tag a runner for the “being out of the baseline†provision to apply.

 

c. For the being “out of the baseline principle†to apply, the fielder must have secured the ball and be attempting a tag.

 

d. All of the above answers are correct.

These are the choices for the rundown video of R2 between second and third that we discussed at length. They wanted D for an answer, I put B.  This still makes no sense t me whatsoever.  How can you say that the runner must be tagged out (A), then say in B that he is out of the baseline (If he's out of the baseline he doesn't have to be tagged.  Then C is correct in context with the video itself.  I just really hate these choices.  The video itself is great, but they could have written better choices that tested our knowledge of the rule without trying to trick everyone.  

1) What they meant in the meetings was "a throw so bad that F3 has no chance to catch it" not just a throw that's not perfect.  I think the example of the ball in the dirt was even used in my meting.  So it's judgment.

 

2) I see people are confused on this one so I accept that its confusing but it wasnt to me. To me all the ansers are about the same.  That is, if the ball was caught, then youd get an out for out of the base line, but since the ball wasnt caught, you need a tag.

 

In all of these, including the one I missed, I guess that's the reason you only need 85 and not 100 to pass.

 

Heck, I could argue facetiously that if the DH isnt named Larry then the test answer doesnt apply, lol.

[alex7]

Okay I have two that I missed that I have a problem with.

 

 

Question #44

R2, no outs. A catcher short-hops a throw to the first baseman after fielding a bunted ball. The first baseman, unable to hold onto the poorly thrown ball, was bothered by the batter-runner advancing outside the running lane.

 

a. A batter-runner can only interfere with a thrown ball if his actions are intentional.

 

b. The play requires the plate umpire to judge whether the batter-runner interfered with the attempted catch of the thrown ball, despite the fact that the throw was in the dirt, since F3 still had a reasonable opportunity to glove the ball.

 

c. Interference should be called. R2 is awarded third base.

 

d. The play stands. The poor throw rids any interference penalties

  I don't consider a throw in the dirt to be a quality throw when it comes to runner's lane INT, but that's just me.

 

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a. This runner must be tagged to be out in this situation.

 

b. This runner is out of the baseline (more than three-feet around the fielder); therefore, is out if the fielder has caught the relay throw. The fielder must have possession of the relay throw and be preparing to tag a runner for the “being out of the baseline†provision to apply.

 

c. For the being “out of the baseline principle†to apply, the fielder must have secured the ball and be attempting a tag.

 

d. All of the above answers are correct.

 

 

On #44, when in doubt, choose the longest most-detailed answer     

 

We were told that a quality throw is a catchable throw.  So a one-hopper or a throw that the 1st baseman has to jump for still counts.  It differentiates from high school where the throw can be 10 feet over the 1st baseman and still result in an RLV call.

 

On the baseline question, they want you to know that (A) the runner must be tagged because © the fielder must have the ball to attempt a tag otherwise (B) the runner being out of the baseline doesn't matter [think of other times the runner is 'out of the baseline' but it doesn't matter, i.e. rounding a base, going behind a fielder fielding the ball, etc].   Hope that makes sense.

[johnnyg08]

I still think that calling a runner out Emphatically on passing is wrong, cause if the ball is caught there is no passing.

 

 

I was wondering about that question too.  I came within a foot today of having that call in my game.  I was ready for the emphatic out call since I also got that one wrong.  But that's what the test is telling me to do.

[Umpire in Chief]

I still think that calling a runner out Emphatically on passing is wrong, cause if the ball is caught there is no passing.

 

Agreed. 

 

Emphatically calling an ultimately unnecessary out is wasting your selling power. 

 

I say let the play cal itself.

• if the ball is caught then all is fine.
• If it drops then use your selling power. 

[johnnyg08]

I still think that calling a runner out Emphatically on passing is wrong, cause if the ball is caught there is no passing.

 

Agreed. 

 

Emphatically calling an ultimately unnecessary out is wasting your selling power. 

 

I say let the play cal itself.

• if the ball is caught then all is fine.
• If it drops then use your selling power. 

 

 

I don't disagree, except that I'm just a peon in Minnesota who would be doing the opposite of the test question.  

[JaxRolo]

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[JaxRolo]

On #44, when in doubt, choose the longest most-detailed answer

Agreed. This is what I was taught in the military.

A test writer is not going to bother writing long detailed wrong answers

[dumbdumb]

Not on topic, but---good luck to all you NCAA guys in 2013. Have a beverage after the game and enjoy life, especially if you get 9 done in under 2:30 and 7 done in under 2:00. Good luck.

[Stretch]

Thank you.  My first games are on the 23 rd.