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zm1283

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Here are the types of questions I really don't like on tests:

 

 

Question #29

R2. F6 attempts to field a ground ball. The ball hits off the heel of the fielder's glove and goes several feet behind him. R2, who was running behind F6, runs into F6, who has taken three steps behind him as he attempts to chase down the deflected ground ball.
 
  • a.
    • Interference should be called.
 
  • b.
    • No call is necessary, the umpire should give the "safe" signal with a verbal, "that's nothing."
 
  • c.
    • Obstruction should be called.
 
  • d.
    • I would have to be there to see it but I know I have to call it something.

Okay, so are we supposed to assume that since F6 had to take three steps to chase down the batted ball that he is not within a step and a reach of the ball?  What if one of those three steps is taken up by his "step" and he can reach as far as the other two steps are?  I definitely want to answer D, but who knows what they're wanting?

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Replacematt
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Not to mention, it shouldn't be viewed as a requirement--it's a tool to get better and to become more prepared for the season. Not only do you get familiar with any new rules, you get to knock the rus

dumbdumb
dumbdumb

Not on topic, but---good luck to all you NCAA guys in 2013. Have a beverage after the game and enjoy life, especially if you get 9 done in under 2:30 and 7 done in under 2:00. Good luck.

Fittske24
Fittske24

Dont make this harder than it is. The question gives you sevral clues as to how far the ball is away from the fielder after the initial attempt to field the ball. Words and phrases like: "several feet

mjr_2013

mjr_2013

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Hmmm... Process of elimination tells us it isn't B... There is no way contact on the base path can just be nothing.

 

The approved rulings for interference say...

A.R. 3— If a fielder has a chance to field a batted ball, but misplays it and while attempting

to recover it, the ball is in the fielder’s immediate reach and the fielder is contacted by the

base runner attempting to reach a base, interference shall be called.

 

A.R. 4— If a fielder has a chance to field a batted ball, but misplays it and must chase after

the ball, the fielder must avoid the runner. If contact occurs, obstruction shall be called.

 

And for obstruction, says...

A.R. 2— When a fielder has made an attempt to field a batted or thrown ball, has missed and

is in pursuit of the ball, he may no longer be considered “in the act†of fielding.


A.R. 3— After a fielder has misplayed a batted ball and the ball is “within a step and a reachâ€

the fielder is still considered “in the act.â€

 

 

My instincts say the answer is C... "Three steps" is much closer to chasing after the ball than it is to being within "immediate reach". Plus I believe that the wording used by the NCAA was probably intentional to seperate itself from a "step and a reach".

 

I hate D. It's like saying "I would have to be there", which is something you could answer and then argue for on probably every single question! It's just dumb for the NCAA to have it as a possibility on a test.

johnnyg08

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Here are the types of questions I really don't like on tests:Question #29R2. F6 attempts to field a ground ball. The ball hits off the heel of the fielder's glove and goes several feet behind him. R2, who was running behind F6, runs into F6, who has taken three steps behind him as he attempts to chase down the deflected ground ball.<p>

  • a.
  • Interference should be called.
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  • b.
  • No call is necessary, the umpire should give the "safe" signal with a verbal, "that's nothing."
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  • c.
  • Obstruction should be called.
  • d.
  • I would have to be there to see it but I know I have to call it something.
Okay, so are we supposed to assume that since F6 had to take three steps to chase down the batted ball that he is not within a step and a reach of the ball? What if one of those three steps is taken up by his "step" and he can reach as far as the other two steps are? I definitely want to answer D, but who knows what they're wanting?
Don't overthink the question. Answer it based on how it is asked. I think the three steps piece indicates that the fielder is chasing the ball, which they also stated "chase down the batted ball" and is not within a step and a reach. To me this question is quite clear.

C

Fittske24

Fittske24

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Here are the types of questions I really don't like on tests:

 

 

Question #29

R2. F6 attempts to field a ground ball. The ball hits off the heel of the fielder's glove and goes several feet behind him. R2, who was running behind F6, runs into F6, who has taken three steps behind him as he attempts to chase down the deflected ground ball.
 
  • a.
    • Interference should be called.
 
  • b.
    • No call is necessary, the umpire should give the "safe" signal with a verbal, "that's nothing."
 
  • c.
    • Obstruction should be called.
 
  • d.
    • I would have to be there to see it but I know I have to call it something.

Okay, so are we supposed to assume that since F6 had to take three steps to chase down the batted ball that he is not within a step and a reach of the ball?  What if one of those three steps is taken up by his "step" and he can reach as far as the other two steps are?  I definitely want to answer D, but who knows what they're wanting?

 

 

Dont make this harder than it is. The question gives you sevral clues as to how far the ball is away from the fielder after the initial attempt to field the ball. Words and phrases like: "several feet behind him", "taken three steps....as he attempts to chase down".

You don't chase anything that is with in a "step and a reach".

 

The answer is C

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noumpere

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Hmmm... Process of elimination tells us it isn't B... There is no way contact on the base path can just be nothing.

 

The approved rulings for interference say...

 

 

A.R. 3— If a fielder has a chance to field a batted ball, but misplays it and while attempting

to recover it, the ball is in the fielder’s immediate reach and the fielder is contacted by the

base runner attempting to reach a base, interference shall be called.

 

A.R. 4— If a fielder has a chance to field a batted ball, but misplays it and must chase after

the ball, the fielder must avoid the runner. If contact occurs, obstruction shall be called.

 

And for obstruction, says...

 

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A.R. 2— When a fielder has made an attempt to field a batted or thrown ball, has missed and

is in pursuit of the ball, he may no longer be considered “in the act†of fielding.

A.R. 3— After a fielder has misplayed a batted ball and the ball is “within a step and a reachâ€

the fielder is still considered “in the act.â€

 

 

My instincts say the answer is C... "Three steps" is much closer to chasing after the ball than it is to being within "immediate reach". Plus I believe that the wording used by the NCAA was probably intentional to seperate itself from a "step and a reach".

 

I hate D. It's like saying "I would have to be there", which is something you could answer and then argue for on probably every single question! It's just dumb for the NCAA to have it as a possibility on a test.

I agree that they are looking for C.  But isn't there an AR that if the filedr chases the ball and is again fielding it that he again is protected?  And, that could have happened in the test play.

 

There were a couple of others in my quick review that have the same sort of problems with what they might be asking.

zm1283

zm1283

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I ended up answering C, but I'm not done with the test yet.  

 

I have run across a couple of others that are worded poorly or have multiple answers that could be right.  The NCAA test is just not written very well.

 

Then there was last year when at least one of their "right" answers was wrong.

mjr_2013

mjr_2013

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Hmmm... Process of elimination tells us it isn't B... There is no way contact on the base path can just be nothing.

 

The approved rulings for interference say...

 

 

 

A.R. 3— If a fielder has a chance to field a batted ball, but misplays it and while attempting

to recover it, the ball is in the fielder’s immediate reach and the fielder is contacted by the

base runner attempting to reach a base, interference shall be called.

 

A.R. 4— If a fielder has a chance to field a batted ball, but misplays it and must chase after

the ball, the fielder must avoid the runner. If contact occurs, obstruction shall be called.

And for obstruction, says...

 

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A.R. 2— When a fielder has made an attempt to field a batted or thrown ball, has missed and

is in pursuit of the ball, he may no longer be considered “in the act†of fielding.

A.R. 3— After a fielder has misplayed a batted ball and the ball is “within a step and a reachâ€

the fielder is still considered “in the act.â€

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My instincts say the answer is C... "Three steps" is much closer to chasing after the ball than it is to being within "immediate reach". Plus I believe that the wording used by the NCAA was probably intentional to seperate itself from a "step and a reach".

 

I hate D. It's like saying "I would have to be there", which is something you could answer and then argue for on probably every single question! It's just dumb for the NCAA to have it as a possibility on a test.

I agree that they are looking for C.  But isn't there an AR that if the filedr chases the ball and is again fielding it that he again is protected?  And, that could have happened in the test play.

 

There were a couple of others in my quick review that have the same sort of problems with what they might be asking.

 

If F6 was picking up (fielding) the ball when the collision happened, then I have the answer as Interference. I think that's AR #5 of Interference.... But nothing in the question indicates that he was about to pick up the ball.

JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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So is there any reason not to score close to 100?

I'm just asking because I will be trying out with Florida Collegiate in the fall and trying to see how things work.

johnnyg08

johnnyg08

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In my opinion, if you look everything up and talk through the tough ones with umpires you trust, then yes, you should score close to 100.  

 

If you don't look them all up, don't consult on the tough ones I suppose it might be tougher to score as high.  (Certainly not in all cases)

 

I think it is good umpiring to get together with peers and talk over your answers.  

 

In our area, we all complete the test independently, write down the rule, pages numbers, etc...so when we get together we can talk about the questions more in depth.

 

I really like that format.

zm1283

zm1283

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This question was in this years NCAA preseason bulletin, C is correct. I thought it was pretty straightforward.

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Haha, whoops.  I got that one right on the preseason guide when I was taking that quiz while at the NCAA meeting.  Nevermind.....but I'm sure we'll find more good ones.  

RichMSN

RichMSN

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What do you have here?  If anything.  Discuss.  Runner can't be out of his base path if fielder doesn't have the ball right?  

 

That's the way I'd call it.  Can't have a tag attempt without a ball.

cookie

cookie

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What do you have here?  If anything.  Discuss.  Runner can't be out of his base path if fielder doesn't have the ball right?  

 

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The ball has to be "secured" in the glove (or hand) to make a tag attempt, so I view this as the runner not being out of his basepath. No violation here.

Does anyone know how this was ruled in the actual college game?

noumpere

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So is there any reason not to score close to 100?

I'm just asking because I will be trying out with Florida Collegiate in the fall and trying to see how things work.

 

You need 51 of the 60 to pass and based on past experience there will be 2 or 3 questions that its unclear what they are asking for or not enough information etc, and we all misread a couple (well, at least I do), so that doesn't leave a lot of leeway.

 

What do you have here?  If anything.  Discuss.  Runner can't be out of his base path if fielder doesn't have the ball right?  

 

I got a whole bunch of nothing but a poor defensive play.  I'm not sure if thats one of the answers though. lol.

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