Collision at the plate

[grayhawk]

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22769485&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_22769485&v=3

Collision, ball held by F2, safe?

"James Hoy is having an atrocious afternoon" refers to the following:

- missed a swinging hit by pitch for strike three (hit the batter's foot on the swing)

- Did about 9/10's of a strike call on a pitch, and then waived it off and called a ball

[24sdad]

I was watching this game yesterday. Did not see the HBP but did see the "9/10's of a strike call." Pitch was some type of off-speed that appeared up and out. Grayhawk's description is pretty accurate for what he did.

Guy had a rough afternoon...I felt bad for him.

[Umpire in Chief]

I watched this play on MLB network last night and I was having fits. When I first saw the call I thought "Great Call" and I was excited seeing a great umpiring call like that. Then the MLB Network guys, who I generally give credit to, were talking about how he is out if he ..."is tagged as far down as the elbow of the hand holding the ball."

They were also saying how How had a bad day. Was there apparently another play at the plate???

[grayhawk]

I watched this play on MLB network last night and I was having fits. When I first saw the call I thought "Great Call" and I was excited seeing a great umpiring call like that. Then the MLB Network guys, who I generally give credit to, were talking about how he is out if he ..."is tagged as far down as the elbow of the hand holding the ball."

They were also saying how How had a bad day. Was there apparently another play at the plate???

No, they were referring to the plays I mentioned in the OP. Interestingly, all of them went against the Angels, but after calling a foul on the hit by pitch swinging strike 3, the batter lined out and they doubled up R1, so it ended up working out well for the Angels.

[24sdad]

There is a play where Hunter throws out a runner at the plate, easy call and PU ruled correctly...but announcer had to take a cheap shot at Hoy. To me, it was the called strike that he changed to a ball. Just not something you see at that level.

[Lindsay]

The last time we had a "high profile" strike-to-ball changed call, Bobby Cox was ejected by Eric Cooper (2009), that time negating a double play. The call was evidentally poor enough for the generally mild-mannered Vin Scully to inject emotion into his call. By words alone during that play, you wouldn't know he wasn't a Braves broadcaster.

[Umpy]

It makes me feel better seeing professionals make mistakes like this. Last year I had a coach go mental over a 1/4 strike call (I popped up quick like I was about to call a strike, but kept my hands down) that I called ball, and I've always felt bad about it. The popping up I mean, I didn't really care about the coach.

[hbk314]

The last time we had a "high profile" strike-to-ball changed call, Bobby Cox was ejected by Eric Cooper (2009), that time negating a double play. The call was evidentally poor enough for the generally mild-mannered Vin Scully to inject emotion into his call. By words alone during that play, you wouldn't know he wasn't a Braves broadcaster.

Unless I missed something in that video, it only negated the out at second. I believe the count was 3-1 to the batter.

[scrounge]

he never tagged him on the initial play

[grayhawk]

he never tagged him on the initial play

Pause it it :37. The force of the collision brought the glove in contact with the runner's shoulder/back area. Not saying I blame Hoy for not seeing that in real time, but usually with a collision at the plate and F2 hanging onto the ball, an out is called. I can see with F2 gloving the ball so high that maybe that rule of thumb isn't used here.

[Haid D' Salaami]

The last time we had a "high profile" strike-to-ball changed call, Bobby Cox was ejected by Eric Cooper (2009), that time negating a double play. The call was evidentally poor enough for the generally mild-mannered Vin Scully to inject emotion into his call. By words alone during that play, you wouldn't know he wasn't a Braves broadcaster.

Unless I missed something in that video, it only negated the out at second. I believe the count was 3-1 to the batter.

you didnt see the PU come up and signal the strike.. which would have made the call 3-2.. runner should be out..

[hbk314]

The last time we had a "high profile" strike-to-ball changed call, Bobby Cox was ejected by Eric Cooper (2009), that time negating a double play. The call was evidentally poor enough for the generally mild-mannered Vin Scully to inject emotion into his call. By words alone during that play, you wouldn't know he wasn't a Braves broadcaster.

Unless I missed something in that video, it only negated the out at second. I believe the count was 3-1 to the batter.

you didnt see the PU come up and signal the strike.. which would have made the call 3-2.. runner should be out..

Exactly what I said, but Gil said it negated a double play.

[Thunderheads]

The last time we had a "high profile" strike-to-ball changed call, Bobby Cox was ejected by Eric Cooper (2009), that time negating a double play. The call was evidentally poor enough for the generally mild-mannered Vin Scully to inject emotion into his call. By words alone during that play, you wouldn't know he wasn't a Braves broadcaster.

Unless I missed something in that video, it only negated the out at second. I believe the count was 3-1 to the batter.

you didnt see the PU come up and signal the strike.. which would have made the call 3-2.. runner should be out..

unless I misunderstand,...he did indeed go to the point for a strike and then he waved it off ....

I too feel better seeing guys at this level have a day where you're just not comfortable ...it makes me feel normal! :D

[johnnyg08]

What game was this? I know Toronto/Anaheim. Was it July 1? What inning was the Steeeee-ball call? I will see if I can get a clip of that one.

[johnnyg08]

I found it. I'm in the process of posting the stee-ball call. Looks like bottom of the 4th.

[Haid D' Salaami]

The last time we had a "high profile" strike-to-ball changed call, Bobby Cox was ejected by Eric Cooper (2009), that time negating a double play. The call was evidentally poor enough for the generally mild-mannered Vin Scully to inject emotion into his call. By words alone during that play, you wouldn't know he wasn't a Braves broadcaster.

Unless I missed something in that video, it only negated the out at second. I believe the count was 3-1 to the batter.

you didnt see the PU come up and signal the strike.. which would have made the call 3-2.. runner should be out..

Exactly what I said, but Gil said it negated a double play.

No way.. it should have been a double play.... Pu either missed up calling a stteeeeee bbaalll. or just messed up.... either way he signaled the strike... should have been a 3-2 count, R1 out on the throw.

Also this is a great reason to say Ball 4

[johnnyg08]

http://goo.gl/EDypJ

Here are a few plays from the July 1 Toronto/Anaheim game. Some we've discussed in this thread already, some we have not.

There is a tag play between home and 1b, could be have an "out of his baseline" call here? Seems as though BR runs quite a bit to the right to avoid a tag. Anyway, I included it in here b/c I thought it was an interesting play.

[JaxRolo]

Nice collage!

[johnnyg08]

Nice collage!

Thanks Jax!