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Umpire in Chief

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I moved this out of the news section because I wanted it to get more visibility and discussion.

I saw this referenced on a blog and was hoping to get a reputable source to verify before I posted it SI will have to do.

Do you think Bud Selig should overturn the call?

I have mixed feelings. Emotionally I say yes. He deserves the perfect game. It is not his fault what happened.

Logically I don't know. While emotionally I want the call over turned, doing so may lead us down a slippery slope. Especially sense I don't have much confidense in Selig, who is an advocate of expanding replay by the way.

Next thing you know this manager and that manager are asking the commissioner to overturn certain plays.

But because baseball is a cumulative game where it would be nearly impossible to go back and the next day overturn a "bad call" in the third inning and know what the outcome could have been. But this case would be different Take the hit away from the batter record the 27th out and the next at bat would never happen. It is a plausable solution in this case.

BrianC14

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WOW ......slippery slope of epic proportions......jeeeeez ......:nod:

Agreed.

If Selig does this, baseball will be farther down the slope.

Hey, why don't we put an asterisk by Larsen's WS "perfect game" - and add the statement that the 27th out was "umpire-aided" ?

BrianC14

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I moved this out of the news section because I wanted it to get more visibility and discussion.

I saw this referenced on a blog and was hoping to get a reputable source to verify before I posted it SI will have to do.

Do you think Bud Selig should overturn the call?

I have mixed feelings. Emotionally I say yes. He deserves the perfect game. It is not his fault what happened.

Logically I don't know. While emotionally I want the call over turned, doing so may lead us down a slippery slope. Especially sense I don't have much confidense in Selig, who is an advocate of expanding replay by the way.

Next thing you know this manager and that manager are asking the commissioner to overturn certain plays.

But because baseball is a cumulative game where it would be nearly impossible to go back and the next day overturn a "bad call" in the third inning and know what the outcome could have been. But this case would be different Take the hit away from the batter record the 27th out and the next at bat would never happen. It is a plausable solution in this case.

And therein is the perfect example of the "slippery slope". Suppose the next batter had hit a home run? No PG, no shutout, either. Hell, maybe they end up losing the game 4-3 ! But in this approach, now we're taking a home run and hit away from other players.

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baseball5150

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whether or not they take the play and reverse it, I wish I could have every umpire handle the situation like Jim Joyce did, humbly admit that he made a mistake and man up to it ...

semper_fi and I have had umpires at the Little League level of baseball banned from leagues in our area because of their hard-ass, "Joe West" style of umpiring ... its disgusting ... one of these banned person is an umpire instructor at LL Western Regional ... so not only is he an ass, but he is teaching others to be an ass ...

baseball does not need instant replay, the game would drag over every little call ... the only reason that we know Joyce blew it that bad was the replay and stop-action it provides, live speed it doesnt look like too bad of a call ...

although, personally, close play at 1B on a perfecto in the making, the guy is out no matter what

AllanA

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I have no problem reversing the call. As long as they allow Jim Joyce to do it.

Let him have all the input. Let him change it with MLB's blessing.

Any other way.....no.

willv28

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I said no. It sets a bad precident. It's bad enough having to fight instant replay now. 80% of people polled today want it...but it's an ESPN poll...

The 10% of idiots are, as always, are going dictate what happens.

Big Red

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As expected:

MLB still deciding whether to review ump's call

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-general/20100603/BBA.Joyce_s.Call/

See what I mean about the media... .Comcast's home page has a subtitle calling it:

Ump's blatant miscall costs Detroit's Galarraga a perfect game and renews demand for baseball instant replay.

Beware the self-appointed experts. :(

+1 and gotta vent here.

First I heard of this is when I turned on the TV this morning and got to catch those numb-nuts "Mike and Mike" in the middle of their rant about it. They even got these ass-clowns from the NBA and NFL on the phone to comment on it. :bang: Not one word on Joyce's comments, but they bring in some "baseball analyst" who thinks Joyce blew it because he initially watched the ball being fielded by the 1st baseman! :banghead: Nothing but hot-air bags w/ microphones and playing ratings grab-ass. :TD:

Had to turn the channel.

Looks like Sportscenter is avoiding the piling on and has put more of a human spin on it...they've had Denkinger on quite a bit as of late and seem to be putting the focus more on the issue of adding replay or not.

Did see one interesting take about the fact that the 1st baseman fielded the ball vice the 2nd baseman and made it closer than it needed to be.

Mixed reactions on web, but avoiding that as I was getting more and more worked up reading the comments from all the "self-appointed experts" in cyberspace. Thank you "talking head era", real-time interactive news/blogs...what a bunch of rags.

Say whatever the hell you want, but I gotta add that hearing Joyce's news conference wells tears up in my eyes. Makes me sick to my stomach watching it play out, for both Joyce and Galarraga, and even more so all the judgement...I can't even begin to imagine what its like to walk even an inch in his shoes right now. Shame about it all, but what an incredible stand-up guy of which we can learn as much from his actions after the call as from the call.

Umpire in Chief

Umpire in Chief

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Beware the self-appointed experts. :banghead:

Hey, I resemble that remark....

I have no problem reversing the call. As long as they allow Jim Joyce to do it.

Let him have all the input. Let him change it with MLB's blessing.

Any other way.....no.

I think that would be a great idea.

jjb

jjb

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I don't think that's a knob that Baseball wants to turn. Allow this, and they will be flooded with:

....the following batter hit a walk-off home run and cost us the game

.... our pitcher was working on a no hitter (it happens in the 3rd inning)

....our pitcher's ERA suffered

....our pitcher was in his Contract Year

....and on and on and on....

Stan W.

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I voted "no" based on the wording of the poll "SHOULD Bud Selig overturn the call" but I would not be surprised to see it get overturned.

My thoughts exactly.........for the same reason............should he?...... no

will he?.......thasts to be seen....

I voted no....

Mike Prince

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Let's consider one angle that hasn't been discussed (although I sort of brought it up in the other thread) - why did the runner make it such a close play? There are comments that he covered his head and looked ashamed to be part of the play after the call.

I know the game is competetive and they are professionals etc., but at that point of the game it just seems like professional respect for the pitcher would take over and you pull up on the way to first so you are not part of the celebration (on the field or in the pictures in tomorrow's paper/today's internet). If the ball got through he would have made first easily.

Of course this is all in hindsight. I guess pride/instinct/upbringing/coaching made him hustle up the line.

jjb

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Let's consider one angle that hasn't been discussed (although I sort of brought it up in the other thread) - why did the runner make it such a close play? There are comments that he covered his head and looked ashamed to be part of the play after the call.

I know the game is competetive and they are professionals etc., but at that point of the game it just seems like professional respect for the pitcher would take over and you pull up on the way to first so you are not part of the celebration (on the field or in the pictures in tomorrow's paper/today's internet). If the ball got through he would have made first easily.

Of course this is all in hindsight. I guess pride/instinct/upbringing/coaching made him hustle up the line.

If I'm the pitcher that's the last thing I'd want. They still talk about the 'did the pitcher "groove one" to Ted Williams on his last at-bat of his career?

kcfan102

kcfan102

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Oh no you didn't....

Series batting average for STL: .185 <you expect to win a world series with that?

Orta would have been the first out, not the third. And Balboni should have been out on a foul pop-up.

Mix that with a walk and a passed ball... you guys asked for a comeback.

Besides... you guys have enough World Series wins, and I thought Denkinger's call was on the money.

:) it's all gravy

AAAAAAAAANYWAY, back on topic.

Rich Ives

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Let's consider one angle that hasn't been discussed (although I sort of brought it up in the other thread) - why did the runner make it such a close play? There are comments that he covered his head and looked ashamed to be part of the play after the call.

I know the game is competetive and they are professionals etc., but at that point of the game it just seems like professional respect for the pitcher would take over and you pull up on the way to first so you are not part of the celebration (on the field or in the pictures in tomorrow's paper/today's internet). If the ball got through he would have made first easily.

Of course this is all in hindsight. I guess pride/instinct/upbringing/coaching made him hustle up the line.

"And the no-hitter was broken up in the ninth by JOE BLOW"

No self -respecting pro would give it away.

mstaylor

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I was in my favorite watering hole the other day when all this was being discussed. A guy says Selig should pverturn the call in the interest of baseball. I was all over him. I told him if he gave a damn about the good of baseball he wouldn't. I told him if he does then he needs to fire every MLB umpire and start over because he would cut the legs out of every umpire on the staff. Can you guess how I voted. :)

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