2012 Off with a Bang

[semper_fi_72]

Many of you know, by my posts that I do not tend to have a lot of EJs.

Well last Sunday I had 3 at one time during a adult game.

Opening Day of Season

VT starts with 11 players but by 5th inning 2 of them had to leave for other things.

Bottom of 5th inning, VT Manager takes the mound as F1.

He throws low side arm and does have some heat, but no movement.

Walks 1st batter on 4 straight pitches.

2nd Batter quick hit on error.

3rd batter has 3-1 count and next pitch gets him in the knee hard.

Batter starts towards the mound and starts to throw his helmet at F1.

F2 jumps on his back.

We now have every player, coach and manager, on the field.

I stand back and watch the arguing, pushing and shoving.

No punches were thrown.

It starts to clear up, when someone on the HT said something towards the VT F1 and he made a charge towards that player.

That cleared up pretty fast and everyone separated again.

My partner and I conferred and agreed the Batter was gone for throwing the helmet at F1. VT F2 was gone for jumping on the batters back. VT F1 was gone for charging another player when things were almost calmed down. He was also the Manager.

We called both Managers together and advised them of the Ejs and that since the VT was now down to 7 players and needed to have at least 8 to play, the game was over.

Both teams pleaded to forget the EJs and to let them finish the game and that they were very sorry.

They did this without any argument and fully understanding our position and responsibility.

Off course I said no EJs stand and game is over.

They respected our decision and there were no hard feelings.

League President can sort out suspensions.

Even with the incident, everyone shook hands and left the field without any further problems and we got a hour break before the next game .

[johnnyg08]

That must be a house rule that they can finish w/ less than 9. or FED rules?

Nice start to the season!

[JaxRolo]

Great start!!!! And since you do roughly 300 or more games a year I hope they are all not like that!!! :smachhead:

[mstaylor]

It's a HTBT but I would think about the F2 ejection. If he only controlled the batter I would consider leaving him. If he throws any punches or does anything else to fan the flames then certainly he has to go. I'm not saying were wrong, just that I would consider the F2 a little more.

[JaxRolo]

In FED anyone that even comes out of the dugout during a fight is to be ejected.

[Umpire in Chief]

EJs do seem to come in clusters.

[mstaylor]

In FED anyone that even comes out of the dugout during a fight is to be ejected.

Agreed, but here we are talking adult wooden bat. FED or NCAA, anybody involved or going to be involved has to go.

[semper_fi_72]

It's a HTBT but I would think about the F2 ejection. If he only controlled the batter I would consider leaving him. If he throws any punches or does anything else to fan the flames then certainly he has to go. I'm not saying were wrong, just that I would consider the F2 a little more.

I did think about the F2 EJ, in that he was only trying to protect his F1.

The deciding factor for me and my partner was that he physically jumped on the batters back and rode him for a few seconds.

League says they can start and play with 8 players but not less.

At times a team may show up with only 8 and know no one is showing up because of work or something.

Most of the time, the other team who has more than 9 will generally lend them a player for the day so they have 9 to play competitively. Haven't had one team tell anyone you have 8 today, play with your 8 so we can kick your ass and get a win that way. I have seen teams give up two players to play and not win by forfeit. They want to play.

[mstaylor]

I'm certainly not second guessing you, I was just saying I would give him a little more lattitude because he was trying to stop it. It's completely a call that you have to see to decide.

[zm1283]

You couldn't pay me enough to work adult league baseball. Fortunately there isn't much of it around here, and I can stay busy enough in the summer working high school and college summer baseball.

[johnnyg08]

You couldn't pay me enough to work adult league baseball. Fortunately there isn't much of it around here, and I can stay busy enough in the summer working high school and college summer baseball.

The adult ball in our state is quite good actually. Part of why (I think) is because the rules are quite strict. We start with 9, we end with 9, no borrowing players for league games, very good region and state tournaments and a state governing board, not locally organized. I think we're quite lucky.

[cyclonehokiece]

Many of you know, by my posts that I do not tend to have a lot of EJs.

Well last Sunday I had 3 at one time during a adult game.

Opening Day of Season

VT starts with 11 players but by 5th inning 2 of them had to leave for other things.

Bottom of 5th inning, VT Manager takes the mound as F1.

He throws low side arm and does have some heat, but no movement.

Walks 1st batter on 4 straight pitches.

2nd Batter quick hit on error.

3rd batter has 3-1 count and next pitch gets him in the knee hard.

Batter starts towards the mound and starts to throw his helmet at F1.

F2 jumps on his back.

We now have every player, coach and manager, on the field.

I stand back and watch the arguing, pushing and shoving.

No punches were thrown.

It starts to clear up, when someone on the HT said something towards the VT F1 and he made a charge towards that player.

That cleared up pretty fast and everyone separated again.

My partner and I conferred and agreed the Batter was gone for throwing the helmet at F1. VT F2 was gone for jumping on the batters back. VT F1 was gone for charging another player when things were almost calmed down. He was also the Manager.

We called both Managers together and advised them of the Ejs and that since the VT was now down to 7 players and needed to have at least 8 to play, the game was over.

Both teams pleaded to forget the EJs and to let them finish the game and that they were very sorry.

They did this without any argument and fully understanding our position and responsibility.

Off course I said no EJs stand and game is over.

They respected our decision and there were no hard feelings.

League President can sort out suspensions.

Even with the incident, everyone shook hands and left the field without any further problems and we got a hour break before the next game .

This is more of a curiosity question than questioning what you did (as it is clearly a HTBT situation) but just wondering why the guy who said something to get F1 to charge him wasn't ejected as well? Again, agree it is HTBT, but I think inciting a fight once it has pretty much calmed down would be an ejectionable offense (unless of course it was someone who was already ejected in the first melee).

[mstaylor]

You couldn't pay me enough to work adult league baseball. Fortunately there isn't much of it around here, and I can stay busy enough in the summer working high school and college summer baseball.

The adult ball in our state is quite good actually. Part of why (I think) is because the rules are quite strict. We start with 9, we end with 9, no borrowing players for league games, very good region and state tournaments and a state governing board, not locally organized. I think we're quite lucky.

Ours is the same except it is local run by four umpires, myself included. We also run the regional.

[semper_fi_72]

Many of you know, by my posts that I do not tend to have a lot of EJs.

Well last Sunday I had 3 at one time during a adult game.

Opening Day of Season

VT starts with 11 players but by 5th inning 2 of them had to leave for other things.

Bottom of 5th inning, VT Manager takes the mound as F1.

He throws low side arm and does have some heat, but no movement.

Walks 1st batter on 4 straight pitches.

2nd Batter quick hit on error.

3rd batter has 3-1 count and next pitch gets him in the knee hard.

Batter starts towards the mound and starts to throw his helmet at F1.

F2 jumps on his back.

We now have every player, coach and manager, on the field.

I stand back and watch the arguing, pushing and shoving.

No punches were thrown.

It starts to clear up, when someone on the HT said something towards the VT F1 and he made a charge towards that player.

That cleared up pretty fast and everyone separated again.

My partner and I conferred and agreed the Batter was gone for throwing the helmet at F1. VT F2 was gone for jumping on the batters back. VT F1 was gone for charging another player when things were almost calmed down. He was also the Manager.

We called both Managers together and advised them of the Ejs and that since the VT was now down to 7 players and needed to have at least 8 to play, the game was over.

Both teams pleaded to forget the EJs and to let them finish the game and that they were very sorry.

They did this without any argument and fully understanding our position and responsibility.

Off course I said no EJs stand and game is over.

They respected our decision and there were no hard feelings.

League President can sort out suspensions.

Even with the incident, everyone shook hands and left the field without any further problems and we got a hour break before the next game .

This is more of a curiosity question than questioning what you did (as it is clearly a HTBT situation) but just wondering why the guy who said something to get F1 to charge him wasn't ejected as well? Again, agree it is HTBT, but I think inciting a fight once it has pretty much calmed down would be an ejectionable offense (unless of course it was someone who was already ejected in the first melee).

Because I didn't hear what was said only the outcome.

With two umpires and 20 something players on the field, you can't see everything.

Also remember F1 was a Team Manager.

He is suppose to be helping to defuse things not keeping it going.

[semper_fi_72]

You couldn't pay me enough to work adult league baseball. Fortunately there isn't much of it around here, and I can stay busy enough in the summer working high school and college summer baseball.

Your choice.

I work it every Sunday and I am happy with the money I get for it.

I have my same High School Varsity Field every Sunday for two games.

It is generally good baseball and friendly 99.9% of the time.

With the 3 EJs in that game that brings my total to 4 in that league in 3 seasons.

It is also not just Summer. We play year round except for a few holidays.

[cyclonehokiece]

Many of you know, by my posts that I do not tend to have a lot of EJs.

Well last Sunday I had 3 at one time during a adult game.

Opening Day of Season

VT starts with 11 players but by 5th inning 2 of them had to leave for other things.

Bottom of 5th inning, VT Manager takes the mound as F1.

He throws low side arm and does have some heat, but no movement.

Walks 1st batter on 4 straight pitches.

2nd Batter quick hit on error.

3rd batter has 3-1 count and next pitch gets him in the knee hard.

Batter starts towards the mound and starts to throw his helmet at F1.

F2 jumps on his back.

We now have every player, coach and manager, on the field.

I stand back and watch the arguing, pushing and shoving.

No punches were thrown.

It starts to clear up, when someone on the HT said something towards the VT F1 and he made a charge towards that player.

That cleared up pretty fast and everyone separated again.

My partner and I conferred and agreed the Batter was gone for throwing the helmet at F1. VT F2 was gone for jumping on the batters back. VT F1 was gone for charging another player when things were almost calmed down. He was also the Manager.

We called both Managers together and advised them of the Ejs and that since the VT was now down to 7 players and needed to have at least 8 to play, the game was over.

Both teams pleaded to forget the EJs and to let them finish the game and that they were very sorry.

They did this without any argument and fully understanding our position and responsibility.

Off course I said no EJs stand and game is over.

They respected our decision and there were no hard feelings.

League President can sort out suspensions.

Even with the incident, everyone shook hands and left the field without any further problems and we got a hour break before the next game .

This is more of a curiosity question than questioning what you did (as it is clearly a HTBT situation) but just wondering why the guy who said something to get F1 to charge him wasn't ejected as well? Again, agree it is HTBT, but I think inciting a fight once it has pretty much calmed down would be an ejectionable offense (unless of course it was someone who was already ejected in the first melee).

Because I didn't hear what was said only the outcome.

With two umpires and 20 something players on the field, you can't see everything.

Also remember F1 was a Team Manager.

He is suppose to be helping to defuse things not keeping it going.

I understand. Hard situation to be in. But sounds like you did what you had to.

[catsbackr]

In FED anyone that even comes out of the dugout during a fight is to be ejected.

...and any defensive players leaving their positions are gone too.

[JaxRolo]

In FED anyone that even comes out of the dugout during a fight is to be ejected.

...and any defensive players leaving their positions are gone too.

Yes They are!