Richvee

Which brings me back to my original post on this type of play

I'm just using the caseplay as a guide. It says there's no obstruction if the collision happens after the bag. He's not out for being off the base..He simply hasn't returned yet from overrunning 1B.

If he overran 1B, collided with F3, never made a move to 2B, there’s no obstruction, he simply over ran the base and hasn’t gone back yet. Casebook 8.3.2sit k

Wouldn’t that assume Kevin had the BR making a move towards 2B? I think if the runner made an attempt to 2B before the collision, it would be obstruction no matter of a tag attempt or not. If Kevin didn’t have the BR attempt towards 2B, the tag would just require a “safe” call.

I think this is the key element. I would say you need to judge if B1 was making an attempt to advance and was hindered. The more is hear about and watch these plays that are either something/nothing/Interference/obstruction...I find a recent piece of advice I received from an accomplished umpire/trainer..."When these plays happen, often it's a lot of judgement, and there's no right or wrong answer. Make your call based on what you saw and the applicable rules, and be ready to explain to the team on the losing end of the call, what you saw, and, with rulebook terminology, why you called what you called.

I’m verbal either way. It’s “catch”, and a hammer, or “that’s down” and an outstretched right arm. Neither is particularly loud. I don't see the harm in letting the batter and catcher know what’s going on.

This! And I’ll add, if I’m on the bases, and my PU waits that long to come to me (and we’re not using a voluntary strike mechanic) The chances of me having a swing are pretty slim. It would need to be almost a full swing…..especially if I’m in the middle. I’d rather shut down the DHC barking about a check swing not called a swing, than starting the 💩show that ensues after I say “yes he did”

Agree, but we're definitely getting into "I have to see it to tell you what I have" territory

I would think because we have 2 or 3 fielders there, we have to get obstruction. Normally, a fielder drifting for a pop up is protected, even if the runner veers to avoid him, and the fielder drifts into the runners path.. The fielder is still protected. But 2 or 3 fielders drifting into the path? 1 or 2 of them have to be obstructing, no?

Can U3 grab this?

But there were two fielders there.... one's protected. The other is obstructing. Even if he deviated before the ball got there. Plus, if you want to say he deviated prior, then F5 is obstructing.

Standing water, mud on the mound or batter's box with poor footing. All the things that I will look for to call a game. One bat slips out of a player's hand and we're done. Likewise, if almost every pitch results in a ball that's too slippery to grip, or pitchers are having trouble controlling pitches, it's over.

FED - Nothing says defense needs to be on the field for the offense to ask for help. I don’t see anything on “getting the right” without replay in NCAA either.

“What do you expect him to do!” …hmmm I don’t know…run??

Well… I gave it my best shot! 🤣🤣

I've got obstruction. F3 in the path without the ball. All codes. He did not enter that area because the throw "took him there" He set up there. Call it Sell it Be ready to explain using rulebook terminology. Would have been nice to see BU get a step or two towards the play...Or maybe turn his head and see what was going on before the throw got there.

If you declare a windup, you can’t start hands apart, stretch, and come set. Not all that complicated.

"I need a tax deduction" is always a good reason

No. It means you need to warm the mask prior to the game. Mine rides in the front seat with me to games near the heat vent. That’s good for the start. My face keeps them warm the rest of the game. They’ve seen a lot of low 40’s games. No issues.

My wife gets a good chuckle when I tell her…”OK, clear the table, I have to layout my jacket and get the sleeves back on.

Well done. Just remember it’s the second “play”. Not necessarily second throw. Tagging a base, or trying to gag a runner is play one. Having a grasp of this rule, and enforcing it correctly puts you ahead of a ton of rec league umpires, and almost all Daddy coaches. I had to explain it to my partner after a varsity game. R1. GB to 3B. F5 throws off line to 1B, BR is safe. R1 continues around 2B for 3B, F3 throws to F5, out of play. Partner couldn’t figure out why I have BR 3B.

Perfect explanation of why this was legal and why it wasn’t a “step off”. But note how many words it took you to explain that. Could it be (just thinking out loud here) that answering the manager’s question with “yes he stepped off” was easier than a three minute balk clinic on why it wasn’t a step off and still legal

I must admit, I wasn’t thinking about when a batter is walking off the foul off a shin, or a runner tweaks something getting back to a bag and wants to take a quick jog. Yeah, I agree a charged conference could be in order.

That’s another issue entirely. It’s enough of a challenge for me to unzip and get both sleeves off between innings, let alone open that inside zipper, get the sleeves in there, and zip it back up.

Give me a better answer and I’ll concede. Beats two lumps in the pants pockets…..or a pair a sleeves hanging on the fence.