Richvee

Yep. Rule set, and how it got there matter.

So now it’s obvious my sarcasm detector wasn’t working listening to the jack wagon on the Texas/Texas A&M game.

I haven't. I was watching Texas/Texas A&M Saturday, and they were talking about the Friday night LSU/Tenn game. Not that I put any faith in announcers, one was saying "I learned something last night.. I learned the defensive coach can go talk to his pitcher during an offensive conference, but the offensive coach can't talk to the runners during a defensive conference". Evidently Vitello did it at some point Friday and it created a stir. I have no details.

Don’t you think it’s odd it’s written specifically addressing rules during a defensive conference? Why wouldn’t it be worded more like “if a team takes a charged conference , in order for the opposing team to leave their positions and converse. they would also need to request a charged conference “.

I believe this came up on the LSU/Tenn. game Friday night, but I didn’t see it, so I’m not sure what the outcome was. 6-5-f(4)— Offensive conferences shall not be charged during a defensive team’s timeout for a pitching change. Any runners who leave their positions during the pitching change must must return to their bases prior to the last warmup pitch so play is not delayed or risk being charged with an offensive conference. Batters or baserunners may not leave their positions during a charged defense conference unless they also request an offensive charged conference. Is the opposite true? If a team requests an offensive conference, can a coach and or position player talk to the pitcher without being charged a defensive conference?

Perhaps flag football?

I'm not sure if they played earlier this year, but it's common knowledge what teams need stronger discipline and game management umpires. And that's my point...Maybe it's not common knowledge? maybe the assignors really didn't know? I doubt it.

I don't know...everybody learned it fine when it wasn't allowed in LL.

I don’t think that’s a bad idea at all. Then again, we can eliminate all this in LL by going back to no U3K’s.

Nothing earth shattering. Just “game ending procedures”. God forbid they actually discuss game management and how to try to avoid these situations escalating. (Like telling us what went on early should have been addressed with at least warnings to both teams)… No they just tell us what to do after you’ve let the game get out of control.

Where to start. 1. That explains today’s email from our esteemed state leadership. 2. Another example of push button assignors? Just fill a spot with a body. I don’t think there’s a person involved with high school baseball in NJ who couldn’t look at the schedule and say this game had the potential to be a powder keg. Get the right umpires on the right games.

Are you saying a ball batted that deflects oddly off the mound hill and hits a runner is play on? Same as a batted ball deflected off the pitcher?

It almost looks like O’Nora is saying he’s allowed to veer back towards the bag. Which wouldn’t excuse him from a violation if he was never legal🤷‍♂️

What are you missing? It’s all the above.

I know the call was obvious in this second play, but I can’t help but notice when you come out big on not-so-common plays like this - Give clear, crisp, authoritative signals and accompanying verbal, you actually create a situation where maybe a manager may not even come out and question you.

Plus…. This umpire puts on a clinic of flawless mechanics for this call.

I’m not sure he’s on or in front of the plate, it I’m not sure there wasn’t contact either.

The four mixed emojis for this post is so fitting. I'd guess it sums up @Kevin_K's feeling as it does mine. ...Funny, Sad, and confused

Those of us here in NJ find it rather amusing that states actually have a system, ranking, and process for determining three man playoff crews, and post season assignments.

I would say 90% of college innings are ready to go in 1:30. New relief pitchers get 2:30. I can count on one hand the amount of times I had to say "30 seconds guys" on any pitching change...between inning or during an inning. You don't wany a HS clock? Then at the very east, count defensive conferences...and more importantly, that huddle by the defense on the pitcher's mound after five throws counts as a conference. Oh... And while we're at it.... ONE time out, and ONE step off per AB.

Yes. And make the time reasonable. 1:00 is not reasonable, and why it’s not enforced. A other thing the timing does is rid the counting of warmup pitches, and then we don’t have to worry about how many crow hop throws F1 takes from behind the mound and we avoid the inevitable “those don’t count” arguments with their head coaches.

This is 100% true. Even in high school, where we know it's play on, you will have explaining to do, whereas not a word would be said with the out, dead ball call. The NCAA rule book sure doesn't do a great job on this. It's almost like they're sitting on the fence.

MiLBUM Play 5 Runners on 1st and 2nd, both stealing. Batter shows bunt. F3 and F5 move in. F6 moves to cover 3B. The batter swings at the last minute and hits a ground ball in the direction of the SS position. However, the shortstop has moved to cover third base, and no one is in position to field the ball. The ground ball strikes the runner advancing from 2B. Ruling- The runner from 2B is declared out for being struck by a batted ball. The BR is placed at 1B. The ball is not considered to have gone through or by an infielder in this play. Does NCAA rule the same? I ask because 8-5-K says The runner, including a runner in contact with a base, is hit while in fair territory by a fair batted ball before it has touched a fielder including the pitcher or passed all infielders who have a chance to make a play on the ball. Then, 6-2-e again says Passed all infielders who have a chance to make a play, and then the note references the "through or by" like OBR Note: If a fair ball goes through or by an infielder and touches a runner immediately in back of them or touches the runner after having been deflected by any fielder including the pitcher, the umpire shall not declare the runner out for being touched by a batted ball. This refers to a ball that passes through the infielder’s legs, or by the immediate vicinity, and strikes the runner directly behind the infielder. In making such a decision, the umpire must be convinced that the ball passed through, or by, the infielder and that no other infielder had a chance to make a play on the ball. So, my question is, does NCAA align with OBR, that the ball must be through or by an infielder and hit the runner directly behind that fielder to "play on"? (assuming no other infielder has a chance to make a play on the ball) Or, would this case play be ruled "play on" in NCAA since the ball passed by the third baseman, who was playing in, but well out of his reach, (so not through or by, but "passed") and no other infielder had a play on it?

Here.

Maybe I’m mis remembering. Didn’t NCAA have a video with a pitcher covering , tagging the bag, then tripping and falling and falling and losing possession of the ball? And NCAA’s ruling was he didn’t maintain possession through the play and the runner should be called safe?