Foul tip strike 3

[Doug Berlin]

I was watching the Mets/Sox the other day and with 2 strikes on him Brett Baty foul tipped a ball that hit Boston’s catcher (Carlos Narvaez) off his glove, his shin and settled in the crook of his arm.  The ump called strike 3 and both team announcers (Ron Darling/Gary Cohen and Lou Merloni/Dave O’Brien) said that it is a strike out because the ball never hit the ground.  I was under the impression that a foul-tipped 3rd strike had to be caught CLEANY by the catcher (can’t hit any part of his body or uniform) for it to be strike 3.  Am I right and the 4 announcers don’t know the rule or even raised it as a possibility?  Thanks

[DevildogUmp]

For OBR - a foul tip is a ball that goes sharply and directly to the catcher and is then caught.

Other rule sets still require that the foul tip go sharply and directly to the catcher's hand or glove and then be caught.

[Velho]

10 minutes ago, Doug Berlin said:

Am I right and the 4 announcers don’t know the rule or even raised it as a possibility?  Thanks

The rule changed a few years ago from 'share and direct from the bat to the catcher's hands' to 'sharp and direct from the bat to the catcher'

A FOUL TIP is a batted ball that goes sharp and direct from the bat to the catcher and is legally caught. It is not a foul tip unless caught, and any foul tip that is caught is a strike, and the ball is in play.

[Velho]

2 minutes ago, DevildogUmp said:

Other rule sets still require that the foul tip go sharply and directly to the catcher's hand or glove and then be caught.

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I believe NCAA is the only one that followed suit to align with OBR

[noumpere]

I think even in FED the OP would be an out since the ball first hit the glove..

 

That said, it's not yet an out if the ball is trapped in the crook of the elbow.  It become an out when it's controlled in the hand or glove.

[JSam21]

9 hours ago, Doug Berlin said:

I was watching the Mets/Sox the other day and with 2 strikes on him Brett Baty foul tipped a ball that hit Boston’s catcher (Carlos Narvaez) off his glove, his shin and settled in the crook of his arm.  The ump called strike 3 and both team announcers (Ron Darling/Gary Cohen and Lou Merloni/Dave O’Brien) said that it is a strike out because the ball never hit the ground.  I was under the impression that a foul-tipped 3rd strike had to be caught CLEANY by the catcher (can’t hit any part of his body or uniform) for it to be strike 3.  Am I right and the 4 announcers don’t know the rule or even raised it as a possibility?  Thanks

This is a really prevealant assumption. It never had to be "caught cleanly". It never had to go "into the glove". 

As said previously, OBR/NCAA it just needs to go sharp and direct from the bat to the catcher and then be legally caught by the catcher. NFHS, it needs to go sharp and direct from the bat to the catcher's hand/glove and then be legally caught. NFHS, If it touches the catcher's hand/glove first, it can be juggled, kicked, stuck in their elbow, hip... as long as it doesn't become lodged in their equipment, touch the batter or umpire... it can be legally caught by the catcher and would be a foul tip

[Biscuit]

2 hours ago, JSam21 said:

This is a really prevealant assumption. It never had to be "caught cleanly". It never had to go "into the glove". 

As said previously, OBR/NCAA it just needs to go sharp and direct from the bat to the catcher and then be legally caught by the catcher. NFHS, it needs to go sharp and direct from the bat to the catcher's hand/glove and then be legally caught. NFHS, If it touches the catcher's hand/glove first, it can be juggled, kicked, stuck in their elbow, hip... as long as it doesn't become lodged in their equipment, touch the batter or umpire... it can be legally caught by the catcher and would be a foul tip

Technically, at least from a literal reading of the rule, it doesn't even have to be the catcher that catches it, right? I kinda remember a discussion on this a while back, but I've been out of the game for a couple years now, and only infrequently on the site, so I could be misremembering. 

[jimurrayalterego]

18 minutes ago, Biscuit said:

Technically, at least from a literal reading of the rule, it doesn't even have to be the catcher that catches it, right? I kinda remember a discussion on this a while back, but I've been out of the game for a couple years now, and only infrequently on the site, so I could be misremembering. 

FED used to allow a foul tip to be caught by a fielder but that's changed to the catcher only. OBR has an interp that only allowsthe catcher to catch it.

[JSam21]

21 hours ago, Biscuit said:

Technically, at least from a literal reading of the rule, it doesn't even have to be the catcher that catches it, right? I kinda remember a discussion on this a while back, but I've been out of the game for a couple years now, and only infrequently on the site, so I could be misremembering. 

It has to be caught by the catcher in all rule sets. 

[jimurrayalterego]

1 hour ago, JSam21 said:

It has to be caught by the catcher in all rule sets. 

Since @Biscuit was reading the rule I didn't address NCAA because it's in their rule.