HBT Out of a Dead Ball

[johnnyg08]

Can't do it! Don't make the same mistake. 

NCAA Rule 6-1a

After the umpire calls “Play,” the ball is alive and in play and remains alive and in play until, for legal cause, or at the umpires’ call of “Time” suspending play, the ball becomes dead. While the ball is dead, no player may be put out, no bases may be run and no runs may be scored, except that runners may advance one or more bases as the result of acts that occurred while the ball was alive (such as, but not limited to, a balk, an overthrow, interference, a home run or other fair hit out of the playing field)

NCAA Rule 6-6

After a dead ball, play resumes when the pitcher engages the pitching plate with possession of the ball, the batter assumes their position in the batter’s box, the catcher is in the catcher’s box and the umpire calls or signals “Play”

 

At :52 you see the hand off and the 3BU takes responsibility for R3 at 3B. 

 

Here at :57 the F5 and the F1 meet where the F5 represents giving the baseball to F1 which of course doesn't happen.

 

At 1:07 the F1 (without the baseball) is off of the dirt circle while F5 goes back to his position.  

At 1:22 F5 "tags R3 out" for the supposed third out. All of this can't happen by rule. You can not run the hidden ball trick coming out of a dead ball. 

[grayhawk]

[johnnyg08]

One thing I wonder here is I think U3 is the Crew Chief....

Does that/could that impact the rest of the crew potentially stepping in to save the crew from this miss when it's the crew chief who misses? 

I know that can be a dynamic on certain crews. I have no idea if that's the dynamic on this crew or not. I'll assume that it's not for the sake of assuming positive intent. 

It would take guts to do this...but don't let your crew kick a rule. Be a crew saver. 

It's a long season...learn from this. It's a promise that it will be tried again across the country...it's a copy cat game. 

 

[jimurrayalterego]

Just tell me none of them had playoff assignments. 

[johnnyg08]

1 minute ago, jimurrayalterego said:

Just tell me none of them had playoff assignments. 

Umm....Ummm....Ummmm

Okay...none of them had playoff assignments. 

 

[jimurrayalterego]

1 minute ago, johnnyg08 said:

Umm....Ummm....Ummmm

Okay...none of them had playoff assignments. 

 

So a question about mechanics. It appears that the runner was hurt but did not request time. Was time granted for an apparent injury or did the umps call time to walk back into their next position for the runner config. 

[johnnyg08]

1 minute ago, jimurrayalterego said:

So a question about mechanics. It appears that the runner was hurt but did not request time. Was time granted for an apparent injury or did the umps call time to walk back into their next position for the runner config. 

It appears as though after the hand off, they simply called time since it was the end of the play, allowing him to get up w/o any funny business and reset. 

[jimurrayalterego]

15 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

Umm....Ummm....Ummmm

Okay...none of them had playoff assignments. 

 

Went over my head. This is actually this year? So @johnnyg08 could tell me the answer to "had" as of last year but we need to know if they will have playoffs this year. But a brainfart should not be disqualifying in you have good game managment and strike zone.

[jimurrayalterego]

3 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

It appears as though after the hand off, they simply called time since it was the end of the play, allowing him to get up w/o any funny business and reset. 

Why do you call time at the end of the play? We don't do it in 2 man. It was a smitty thing a long time ago in 3 - 4 man.

[johnnyg08]

Just now, jimurrayalterego said:

 but we need to know if they will have playoffs this year.

I'm not privy to that information...but I'm unsure if they select post season on opening weekend. 

[johnnyg08]

Just now, jimurrayalterego said:

Why do you call time at the end of the play? We don't do it in 2 man. It was a smitty thing a long time ago in 3 - 4 man.

I don't know...I don't work and will never work the SEC. 

[Replacematt]

15 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

So a question about mechanics. It appears that the runner was hurt but did not request time. Was time granted for an apparent injury or did the umps call time to walk back into their next position for the runner config. 

3BC requested time. 

[jimurrayalterego]

4 minutes ago, Replacematt said:

3BC requested time. 

Yes, looks like he did with the hand wave. Relaxed action where we wouldn't deny time even though F3 had the ball. So just a brain fart by U3 and crew did not pick up on it. Meanwhile YouTube and effin announcers UN- educate all. Think NCAA will RE- educate all.

[johnnyg08]

12 minutes ago, Replacematt said:

3BC requested time. 

You're right. Here it is:

[johnnyg08]

15 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

 Think NCAA will RE- educate all.

Very likely. 

[johnnyg08]

43 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

Went over my head. This is actually this year? 

This happened today. Opening weekend. 

[The Man in Blue]

I see not ONE, but TWO umpires calling time.

. . . and I am not just saying that as an alum.

[johnnyg08]

1 minute ago, The Man in Blue said:

I see not ONE, but TWO umpires calling time.

. . . and I am not just saying that as an alum.

Absolutely no mistake on the status of the ball here. 

[Kevin_K]

So a major conference D1 coaching staff, an entire roster of players, a booth of broadcasting folks, video review people, and all the umpires didn't know an out cannot be recorded when the ball is not in play.

I'm without words to properly express my shock.

[jimurrayalterego]

1 hour ago, Kevin_K said:

So a major conference D1 coaching staff, an entire roster of players, a booth of broadcasting folks, video review people, and all the umpires didn't know an out cannot be recorded when the ball is not in play.

I'm without words to properly express my shock.

Without a sarcasm emoji in your post I have to say that I’m shocked that you would be shocked. 

[johnnyg08]

1 hour ago, Kevin_K said:

So a major conference D1 coaching staff, an entire roster of players, a booth of broadcasting folks, video review people, and all the umpires didn't know an out cannot be recorded when the ball is not in play.

I'm without words to properly express my shock.

I wish I was as surprised as you. Baseball is one of those sports where many direct participants and those in the periphery do not know as much as they think they know about the rules of baseball. There are so many myths out there and this is one of them. 

[BLWizzRanger]

1 hour ago, Kevin_K said:

So a major conference D1 coaching staff, an entire roster of players, a booth of broadcasting folks, video review people, and all the umpires didn't know an out cannot be recorded when the ball is not in play.

I'm without words to properly express my shock.

And along with that... no protest?

[johnnyg08]

1 minute ago, BLWizzRanger said:

And along with that... no protest?

I truly believe that they don't know the rule...or not well enough in that game to care a whole lot. 

[Kevin_K]

1 hour ago, BLWizzRanger said:

And along with that... no protest?

So you expect them to know that they have to protest before the next pitch?

[The Man in Blue]

1 hour ago, johnnyg08 said:

I wish I was as surprised as you. Baseball is one of those sports where many direct participants and those in the periphery do not know as much as they think they know about the rules of baseball. There are so many myths out there and this is one of them. 

 

Maybe I am missing something.  I agree with everything you said, but I am stumped at trying to figure out which myth is being perpetuated here.  

This was just a plain #$@! up.  Time had been called, by at least two umpires, and had not been put back into play (made live). 

What am I missing?