FED: Retired runner at 1 and wild throw, after discussion, interference called

[Tog Gee]

Postseason game. VT at bat.

R2 and R3. 1 out.

On a uncaught third, BR runs to first and the BU signals out. PU doesn't react.

The first baseman then tries to get the runner at third but overthrows and hangs head.

R3 and R2 score. But after the HTHC throws a fit, the umpires discuss and announce inning is over and neither run counts. PU's explanation is that the BR was out (clearly the 2nd out) but then interfered with the first baseman 's throw (3rd out, no runs, inning over)

If anything I got RLI but is RLI ignored when the out is made in NFHS?

So my question is: was INT correct?

 

 

Edited May 31, 2024 by Tog Gee

[BigBlue4u]

6 hours ago, beerguy55 said:

You'll see I acknowledged that about 45 minutes ago - I had missed that part of the exception the first couple of times I read the rule.

beerguy55, you are forgiven.  🙂

 

[Tog Gee]

1 hour ago, The Man in Blue said:

On the subsequent throw?  Not even remotely close.  Not even after a few beers while rooting for my own team.

Was that a typo earlier?  Or is that really what the PU said?

"Third" was a terrible mistype. I fixed it now. 

 

The whole problem was that after HTHC worked on PU for a while, PU stated that BR contact with the first baseman during the wild throw was what resulted in a INT and third out.

It seems like the home team head coach just had to help jog the umpire's memory.

[Jimurray]

24 minutes ago, Tog Gee said:

"Third" was a terrible mistype. I fixed it now. 

 

The whole problem was that after HTHC worked on PU for a while, PU stated that BR contact with the first baseman during the wild throw was what resulted in a INT and third out.

It seems like the home team head coach just had to help jog the umpire's memory.

The look is bad. There was no contact. But an umpire could judge retired runner interference on this play. Are you saying the B-R did not try to run at F3 but did not hinder him because F3 eluded the attempt. Did that elude cause F3 to have a wild throw?

[Tog Gee]

 

On 5/30/2024 at 11:10 PM, Jimurray said:

The look is bad. There was no contact. But an umpire could judge retired runner interference on this play. Are you saying the B-R did not try to run at F3 but did not hinder him because F3 eluded the attempt. Did that elude cause F3 to have a wild throw?

Looks like F3 just gains ground, loads up, directly towards third and makes a bad throw. You see him having to elude?

I heard from the horse's mouth that he claimed BR interfered with F3. I'm still waiting for confirmation that he stated it was because BR trucked/contacted F3. 

The interference call came minutes after the play ended.

I don't know if all the conversation in between innings was friendly or it was home team head coach wearing down the umpire with questions and or complaints.

Edited June 1, 2024 by Tog Gee

[Velho]

23 minutes ago, Tog Gee said:

Looks like F3 just gains ground, loads up, directly towards third and makes a bad throw. You see him having to elude?

I heard from the horse's mouth that he claimed BR interfered with F3. I'm still waiting for confirmation that he stated it was because BR trucked F3. 

The interference call came minutes after the play ended.

This play, as videoed, imo is not INT for a second out. If BR yelled at F3 - maybe, even likely, INT fro second out.

Complete hypothetical: In this same play, if BR trucked F3 as he threw to F5 then, yes you'd have a second out.

Did that happen on this play? No. Did a HC convince an umpire it happened but the umpire didn't see it? Sounds like it.

[834k3r]

On 5/30/2024 at 6:01 AM, Tog Gee said:

Umpire chatting in between every inning with the HT coaches. Don't know if they were trying to grind him down or they're buddies. Or both.

Slightly OT, but this is precisely why chatting idly with the coaches is a bad idea. When I was in the Air Force, we had a saying:  "perception is reality"--what people think is true they believe is true.

I perhaps go too far to the other side and avoid all conversations with coaches outside of lineup changes or other game-specific situations, but even if I'm umpiring games with coaches I know personally I avoid conversing with them for the precise reason as @Tog Gee insinuates.

[The Man in Blue]

I think I see what happened now.  This video may help …

 

 

 

EDIT: Wait a second, what exactly did you do in the “Air Force” @834k3r?

[834k3r]

18 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

I think I see what happened now.  This video may help …

 

 

 

EDIT: Wait a second, what exactly did you do in the “Air Force” @834k3r?