Coach Ejection

[mstaylor]

Watch the video and tell me what you have? Play leading to ejection

[gdpmumin]

Watch the video and tell me what you have? Play leading to ejection

From that angle, this newbie has R1 out.

[carolinablue]

Looks out to me, unless there's something I'm missing, a no brainer.

[mstaylor]

I have the fielder catching the ball but pulling up and not tagging the runner until just above the knee. You don't have to agree but that's what I saw. I had the ball early enough that the fielder didn't leave his glove down so he let the runner get under him.

[Guest]

Boys,

R1 was DOA, slid straight into the base,...the throw beat him by miles, and the tag was down.

The only thing R1 could've done to hurt his case more was not slide.

I don't care...he's out.

[carolinablue]

I agree the BU could have saw something we can't see from the video. I see ball there, tag there.....out. But again I wasn't on the field.

[sdix00]

Coach, if the ball beats the runner and the tag is down. . . wait a minute. The tag wasn't really down and this aint one man mechanics.

I don't care what the timing looks like. BU had a half-assed tag a bit high and R1 with a full on slide. Looks like he punished the lazy F4.

[JaxRolo]

I have the fielder catching the ball but pulling up and not tagging the runner until just above the knee. You don't have to agree but that's what I saw. I had the ball early enough that the fielder didn't leave his glove down so he let the runner get under him.

This was also my first impression when I saw the video. But after watching it over and over it is very close bag bang play. I am ok with a safe or out.

[mstaylor]

That's me making the call and I safed him. The manager, an ex MLB pitcher and a class act, came out. He asked what I had because obviously the ball was there. I told he was correct but the SS pulled up on his glove and didn't touch the runner until just above the knee. He said OK, thanks and walked away. His coach on the other hand, not so much. He came out of the dugout and was yelling at me and gesturing. I held my hand to stop him but he hasn't having it so I dumped him. I always say you're gone or you're done. For some reason I said you're gone but added take a walk. I have no idea why I said but I knew it was going to bite me. It did, he said all right I'll walk right to you. My partner did an excellent job of rodeoing him off. While he was getting rid of him the pitcher asked me the count. I gave it to him and he said it would have been nice if the SS had tagged him. The catcher told the PU the same thing. So both umpires, the catcher and pitcher all had him safe. I think the angle of the camera makes it look closer than it really was.

[sdix00]

I am glad to see this.

I ranted a couple weeks ago on "Getting Outs". I don't like that sort of language. I have always advocated calling what you see and not guessing runners out based on timing. If I am 90 feet away on a pickoff play and I see a swipe with no glove movement or sound, then I have the runner safe. Period. I am the only one I know who calls them like this.

When I see them slide under the tag, or the fielder can't be bothered to slap that runner or tag the toes as he arrives, I am not going to guess the runner out.

Bang bang? Whatever. It is what it is, not what I wish it would be or think it should be.

[Thunderheads]

good for you Mike ....

You call what you have, ....and obviously YOU HAD THE ANGLE !! Nice job!

ON EDIT:

Mike ... what was your call like? Did you describe what you saw? Or did you just "safe" him ??

[yawetag]

I won't comment if Mike made the right call or not -- it's inconclusive at best with the video. However, Mike's positioning on the play was right and he called what he saw.

[mstaylor]

No, I just safed him and moved to C. The manager immediately came out. We discussed it and he left, no problems at all. Now for the rest of the story. It turns out the coach was the manager's dad. He told me that two innings later and agreed he was a redass and needed to go. His words, not mine.

[Thunderheads]

No, I just safed him and moved to C. The manager immediately came out. We discussed it and he left, no problems at all. Now for the rest of the story. It turns out the coach was the manager's dad. He told me that two innings later and agreed he was a redass and needed to go. His words, not mine.

Ahh, I see.

The reason I asked (and this may be a mistake in some minds) is in situations where things are close, or ...situations like this where the ball beats him by a mile and the tag was either high, or was missed, ....I say what I saw. For instance, ...last season, I had a no brainer at 3rd ....F5 turned causually and swiped at the runner who veered (with his body ) to avoid the tag STANDING up into 3rd. I was in C and had the perfect angle and said .... " NO NO he's safe...no tag there, you missed him!" I didn't hear a peep! I heard the DC say, ....YOU'VE GOT TO TAG HIM BILLY!!!! COME ON!!! ...but that was it

Now, ....is that the best thing to do all the time? Probably not, ...but sometimes it can help. For me, it lets all know what I saw and that there was no doubt I saw it.

Regardless, back to my original comment, ....nice call Mike!

[mstaylor]

I agree but live it was pretty obvious so I didn't oversell it. In retrospect, you probably are right. I did say no tag to the fielder but not a bigger sell for the coaches. The video was taken on top of the dugout so the angle is odd. If it had been taken at ground level it would have been clearer.

[Mr Umpire]

Ahhhh, come on, blue! What are you looking at? I can't believe you missed that. My grandmother from 3 states away could see that one. Did R1 dazzle you with some of his fancy feet work? How did you call that?

I saw a high lazy tag by F6. The glove has to be at least another 3 inches lower to the ground to get that out. At least earn what is being given to you. He was safe and F6 needs to quit being so lazy.

[soapbox]

At first, second, and third look, I thought your call was right on.

[grayhawk]

No, I just safed him and moved to C. The manager immediately came out. We discussed it and he left, no problems at all. Now for the rest of the story. It turns out the coach was the manager's dad. He told me that two innings later and agreed he was a redass and needed to go. His words, not mine.

Ahh, I see.

The reason I asked (and this may be a mistake in some minds) is in situations where things are close, or ...situations like this where the ball beats him by a mile and the tag was either high, or was missed, ....I say what I saw. For instance, ...last season, I had a no brainer at 3rd ....F5 turned causually and swiped at the runner who veered (with his body ) to avoid the tag STANDING up into 3rd. I was in C and had the perfect angle and said .... " NO NO he's safe...no tag there, you missed him!" I didn't hear a peep! I heard the DC say, ....YOU'VE GOT TO TAG HIM BILLY!!!! COME ON!!! ...but that was it

Now, ....is that the best thing to do all the time? Probably not, ...but sometimes it can help. For me, it lets all know what I saw and that there was no doubt I saw it.

Regardless, back to my original comment, ....nice call Mike!

I believe that is called, "explaining it, before you have to explain it" and I think it's a good practice. As to the call, F4 was stupid. The ball is on a downward trajectory - all he had ot do was catch it and let his glove travel down. Great throw, good catch, horrible tag. Safe.

[zm1283]

I guess I'm missing this "horrible tag" in the video. When F6 catches the throw, R1 is about six feet from the base. I don''t know what else F6 was supposed to do.

You were on the field and were in position, but I still have an out here.

[mstaylor]

I guess I'm missing this "horrible tag" in the video. When F6 catches the throw, R1 is about six feet from the base. I don''t know what else F6 was supposed to do.

You were on the field and were in position, but I still have an out here.

That's fine, I don't expect all or even any to agree with me. The throw was there so far ahead that there is no excuse for the fielder not to have it down. The catcher puts the throw about knee high to F4, who then holds it there briefly and doesn't bring it down until he starts to step forward. As I say live it was extremely obvious, both F1 and F2 agreed the F4 screwed up.

I am will aware of the expected call and ball beats runner. But when the fielder is sloppy in mechanics he doesn't get any benefit of doubt. Thankfully my timing was good because he was out by days and I was surprised when he wasn't.

[jjb]

I've got the classic Little League-too-lazy-to-bend-over-knee-high tag. Good call.

[Dragon29]

I see this exact play all the time in LL Juniors. Had it twice in the game I called Wednesday night, though both times were at 3B. Ball beats the runner; runner slides and F5 waves at him. Just lazy fielding.

Gotta admit that when I saw the video, I had him Out. That's why we don't call from the top of the dugout!

[jjb]

We would save a lot of money on equipment if we could

[MT_Blue]

I know im really late on responding to this but with finals looming this is the first chance i got to look at it, ive replayed it multiple times and come up with the same call that was given, Good call.

Ken

[Guest]

I know im really late on responding to this but with finals looming this is the first chance i got to look at it, ive replayed it multiple times and come up with the same call that was given, Good call.

Ken

Sucker

I'm done :)