First Varsity game and ejection of the year

[umpirecordova]

HS varsity game I am BU in the C position. Home team has the bases loaded in the 3rd and are down 3 runs. The pitch is up and in to a right handed batter and causes him to turn in. My partner doesn't signal anything. OC goes to my partner and asks him why he hasn't sent his batter to first. My partner tells him he didn't see the ball hit the batter but he would go ask for help. We discuss it, I tell him I didn't see the ball hit him. He goes back and tells the coach that we don't have a HBP. He doesn't like the call so he starts asking me "what are you supposed to be looking at?" I answer "I'm watching the plate.' he says "then how do you miss that? That was an easy one." Before he asks another question my partner starts to talk to calm him down and I go back to my spot in the C position. Still not happy with the call the OC starts going back to the coaches box right before he gets there he turns violently points at me and yells so everyone can hear "you need to pay attention." . I tell him "you don't talk to me like that." As he walks off he continues to say stuff like "do your job" and "pay attention."

I thought it was a easy one but some people I've told said I may of got him to quick.

[catsbackr]

HS varsity game I am BU in the C position. Home team has the bases loaded in the 3rd and are down 3 runs. The pitch is up and in to a right handed batter and causes him to turn in. My partner doesn't signal anything. OC goes to my partner and asks him why he hasn't sent his batter to first. My partner tells him he didn't see the ball hit the batter but he would go ask for help. We discuss it, I tell him I didn't see the ball hit him. He goes back and tells the coach that we don't have a HBP. He doesn't like the call so he starts asking me "what are you supposed to be looking at?" I answer "I'm watching the plate.' he says "then how do you miss that? That was an easy one." Before he asks another question my partner starts to talk to calm him down and I go back to my spot in the C position. Still not happy with the call the OC starts going back to the coaches box right before he gets there he turns violently points at me and yells so everyone can hear "you need to pay attention." . I tell him "you don't talk to me like that." As he walks off he continues to say stuff like "do your job" and "pay attention."

I thought it was a easy one but some people I've told said I may of got him to quick.

Maybe a "Knock it off, coach!", might have been in order. If he persists after that, then restrict him or dump him. Kind of a HTBT though.

[NovaScotiaBlue]

He made it personal. By using YOU he stopped talking about the play and it then became about you the umpire

Once that line is crossed he's punched his ticket.

[mazzamouth]

Knock it off is not really a good one either... or telling him "you can't talk to me like that" not too sure about that

maybe try .. if the coach is walking away let him go, if you keep talking you look like the aggressor.. if you need to talk tell him ' that is enough" "leave it alone"...

[Mr Umpire]

Start with "That's enough." Then, if he continues, the EJ is completely justified and no one can say you did it too early b/c you gave him the chance to be quiet and let it go. Telling him how he can and can't talk to you isn't a good idea b/c it just gets them to talk to you more like that so they can "show you that you can't tell me how I can or can't talk".

"That's enough, coach." Followed by EJ if he doesn't get it.

[Mike Prince]

A 3 step system is also common - Warn (the "That's enough coach"), then restrict to the dugout, then EJ. Of course steps are skipped depending on the severity (cursing would be one example) of what the coach says or does. But for a majority of disagreements I have found these steps to work well and coaches get the message and keep themselves in the game. In my experience issuing the first warning before things get out of hand is key, otherwise you can get yourself in a situation where you feel have no choice but to go to an EJ because you have not managed the situation well.In your situation here had the coach been complaining about anything previously? Seems like he lost his cool pretty quickly so it seems like this may have built up over previous innings?

[umpirecordova]

I thought about warning him to "knock it off" but it was the fact that he screamed at me across the field almost that made me send him on his way. If it was a coach who just said to me "pay attention" I would of warned him and told him that was enough. But it was the way he pointed and the fact that he yelled at me was the reason I ran him instead of trying to warn him.

[mstaylor]

When he asked what are you supposed to be looking at, would have been the beginning of the end for me. My answer would be that we aren't discussing mechanics, I don't have a HBP, it's time to play baseball. Further argument is going to seal his doom. Remember, if he hasn't made it personal, you don't either. The not talking to me like that is not something you should ever say. I have had coaches ask how we couldn't see something they think we should have seen and I have said that I didn't have it from my angle, but we are not going to discuss what I should be doing.

[Dragon29]

. . . in addition, you may want to tell your partner that saying, "I didn't see it hit him." is also the wrong thing to say.

What he should have said was something like, "It did not hit him." and then not go for help. Problem solved right there.

I don't know about others, but as PU I've never asked my partner if he had a HBP.

[Umpire in Chief]

The EJ was completely legit. My advice to guys is always to say as little as possible to coaches.

I love the "thats enough" line.

[grayhawk]

I find it funny that he directed his anger towards you, and not at the guy that is 100% responsible for making that call. I also am a fan of "that's enough" as a warning shot. If he persists, then he is running himself.

[NY Blue]

Gone.

I've never been quick to eject but theres a few lines I don't allow to be crossed. You can't scream at me from across the field like I'm your dog. You don't say anything that is clearly said to try and embarrass me. You don't swear. I'll discuss anything the coach wants an explanation for if he conducts himself reasonably. Call me old fashioned but if the coach does that, his players learn it.

Not every situation calls for a warning, but it's good if you can get one in before the toss. I'm on your side with this one.

[TX-UIC]

HS varsity game I am BU in the C position. Home team has the bases loaded in the 3rd and are down 3 runs. The pitch is up and in to a right handed batter and causes him to turn in. My partner doesn't signal anything. OC goes to my partner and asks him why he hasn't sent his batter to first. My partner tells him he didn't see the ball hit the batter but he would go ask for help. We discuss it, I tell him I didn't see the ball hit him. He goes back and tells the coach that we don't have a HBP. He doesn't like the call so he starts asking me "what are you supposed to be looking at?" I answer "I'm watching the plate.' he says "then how do you miss that? That was an easy one." Before he asks another question my partner starts to talk to calm him down and I go back to my spot in the C position. Still not happy with the call the OC starts going back to the coaches box right before he gets there he turns violently points at me and yells so everyone can hear "you need to pay attention." . I tell him "you don't talk to me like that." As he walks off he continues to say stuff like "do your job" and "pay attention."

I thought it was a easy one but some people I've told said I may of got him to quick.

I am good with the ejection.. but would have gotten on my partners back for coming to me on that... first of all if I would have seen it hit him I would have killed the ball right away... but since I did not... conclusion is that "I didn't see it..." as simple as that.

Plate guy: "Coach it did not hit him" and after if the coach wanted me to get help... Plate Guy: "There is no reason to go to my partner as if he would have seen the pitch hit the batter he would have killed it right then... so we are done.... lets play" From there anything he says or does is on him... your play guy deflected the call and put it in your lap and threw you under the bus

[noumpere]

I am good with the ejection.. but would have gotten on my partners back for coming to me on that... first of all if I would have seen it hit him I would have killed the ball right away... but since I did not... conclusion is that "I didn't see it..." as simple as that.

Careful here. What you say applys to the batter hit by the batted ball but doesnt apply to a batter hit by the pitch at least in most associations that I know of.

[Forest Ump]

The EJ was completely legit. My advice to guys is always to say as little as possible to coaches.

That is great advice.

[TX-UIC]

I am good with the ejection.. but would have gotten on my partners back for coming to me on that... first of all if I would have seen it hit him I would have killed the ball right away... but since I did not... conclusion is that "I didn't see it..." as simple as that.

Careful here. What you say applys to the batter hit by the batted ball but doesnt apply to a batter hit by the pitch at least in most associations that I know of.

Yes..

[mstaylor]

Gone.

I've never been quick to eject but theres a few lines I don't allow to be crossed. You can't scream at me from across the field like I'm your dog. You don't say anything that is clearly said to try and embarrass me. You don't swear. I'll discuss anything the coach wants an explanation for if he conducts himself reasonably. Call me old fashioned but if the coach does that, his players learn it.

Not every situation calls for a warning, but it's good if you can get one in before the toss. I'm on your side with this one.

Yelling across the field and being a coach out of the dugout is what got the coach tossed in my ejection last week. I tried to warn him but he wouldn't have any of it, so away he went.