Hit on base

[Guest Chris]

Player standing on 2nd base and a line drive hits him in the foot. Is the runner out? 

[ElkOil]

1 minute ago, Guest Chris said:

Player standing on 2nd base and a line drive hits him in the foot. Is the runner out? 

Yes. Bases are not safe havens.

[MT73]

In OBR he would be out, even if the defense was playing in since this does not qualify as through or by an infielder.

But I think FED may have a different interpretation.

[FleasOf1000Camels]

Add this wrinkle:  What if the pitcher had deflected that ball before it hit the runner?

[maven]

6 hours ago, MT73 said:

In OBR he would be out, even if the defense was playing in since this does not qualify as through or by an infielder.

If the infield is in and shifted, we might have "through or by," but without that I agree: R2 is out.

 

6 hours ago, MT73 said:

But I think FED may have a different interpretation.

The basic principle is the same: a runner struck by a fair batted ball is out for INT. But FED uses "string theory" for its exception: connect the fielders by an imaginary string, and if the runner is struck while outside the string, no INT.

The rationale for this kind of INT is to maximize the unhindered opportunity of the defense to field a ball in the infield.

[noumpere]

2 hours ago, FleasOf1000Camels said:

Add this wrinkle:  What if the pitcher had deflected that ball before it hit the runner?

The same as has been discussed in other threads recently -- the runner is not out.

[MT73]

3 hours ago, FleasOf1000Camels said:

Add this wrinkle:  What if the pitcher had deflected that ball before it hit the runner?

A runner can never be called out if struck with a deflected batted ball.

However, if another player had a chance of fielding the deflected batted ball and the runner interferes with him--other than being struck with the ball--then he would be out.

(OBR)

 

Maven--OBR is very specific that through or by means through the fielder's legs or by his outstretched glove.

The MLBUM makes this point very clear and has a few case plays to support it.

I am pretty sure that FED sees this differently ( as do most coaches, players and fans) that if the infield is shifted in ( as for a bunt) that a runner then  struck with a batted ball is not out.

[noumpere]

8 minutes ago, MT73 said:

Maven--OBR is very specific that through or by means through the fielder's legs or by his outstretched glove.

The MLBUM makes this point very clear and has a few case plays to support it.

I am pretty sure that FED sees this differently ( as do most coaches, players and fans) that if the infield is shifted in ( as for a bunt) that a runner then  struck with a batted ball is not out.

That's what Maven said.  You're both right.

[maven]

2 hours ago, MT73 said:

Maven--OBR is very specific that through or by means through the fielder's legs or by his outstretched glove.

The MLBUM makes this point very clear and has a few case plays to support it.

Right: so if F6 is playing in and shifted in front of 2B, it's possible to have "through or by" and hit R2 on 2B. Not out for INT because of the exception.

[MT73]

8 minutes ago, maven said:

Right: so if F6 is playing in and shifted in front of 2B, it's possible to have "through or by" and hit R2 on 2B. Not out for INT because of the exception.

In OBR he would still be out under through or by if another infielder had a play on the ball.

[Wiggledoc]

Gentlemen,
Mostly, well all of my experience is as a LL dad/coach/ umpire. I pulled this directly from OBR 2016.

Rule 6.01(a) Penalty for Interference Comment (Rule 7.08(b) Comment): A runner who is adjudged to have hindered a fielder who is attempting to make a play on a batted ball is out whether it was intentional or not.
If, however, the runner has contact with a legally occupied base when he hinders the fielder, he shall not be called out unless, in the umpire’s judgment, such hindrance, whether it occurs on fair or foul territory, is intentional. If the umpire declares the hindrance intentional, the following penalty shall apply: With less than two out, the umpire shall declare both the runner and batter out. With two out, the umpire shall declare the batter out.

Thanks for all the information I have learned from y'all


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[stkjock]

/\ that is for interference with a fielder, the OP is interference with a batted ball, so not equivalent 

[MT73]

Correct.

Also, the only time a runner is not out if hit by a batted ball is in an infield fly situation.

[maven]

2 hours ago, MT73 said:

In OBR he would still be out under through or by if another infielder had a play on the ball.

Of course. I was responding to your intimation that in OBR R2 would always be out for INT by suggesting a possible scenario in which he wasn't.

[MT73]

Just now, maven said:

Of course. I was responding to your intimation that in OBR R2 would always be out for INT by suggesting a possible scenario in which he wasn't.

Yes, I realized my mistake.

[ofhs93]

58 minutes ago, MT73 said:

Correct.

Also, the only time a runner is not out if hit by a batted ball is in an infield fly situation.

Or if he's standing in foul territory

[MT73]

1 hour ago, ofhs93 said:

Or if he's standing in foul territory

You guys sure make me watch my P's and Q's

( Smiley face included if I knew how to do that)