Felix Hernandez from the set

[Replacematt]

6 hours ago, grayhawk said:

Because there is no time requirement, there is no such thing as "more of a stop."  It's either a stop or it isn't.  Felix meets the requirement in the rule.

To be more direct - I would not call this a balk at any level I officiate (which is pretty much HS and college these days).

OHC:  "He's got to stop."

ME:  "He's okay for me, skip."

Ditto. 

[Thunderheads]

15 hours ago, grayhawk said:

Because there is no time requirement, there is no such thing as "more of a stop."  It's either a stop or it isn't.  Felix meets the requirement in the rule.

To be more direct - I would not call this a balk at any level I officiate (which is pretty much HS and college these days).

OHC:  "He's got to stop."

ME:  "He's okay for me, skip."

That's not where it's going to end though ..........

[grayhawk]

1 hour ago, Thunderheads said:

That's not where it's going to end though ..........

More often than not, it does end there.

[Thunderheads]

1 minute ago, grayhawk said:

More often than not, it does end there.

more proof that California High School coaches are more reasonable than most  

[basejester]

11 hours ago, KenBAZ said:

Maybe I'm just more discerning then some others but I am fine at all levels with this. I'll get a no stop when a guy has a certain pace then tries to rush to the plate with a base stealer on.

I don't think that's a thing.  It's either a stop or not on that particular delivery, regardless of any previous tempo.  A pitcher can legally change his tempo to disrupt the base-runner.

[grayhawk]

3 minutes ago, Thunderheads said:

more proof that California High School coaches are more reasonable than most  

Maybe, but we have our fair share of tool bags here too.

[Thunderheads]

3 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

Maybe, but we have our fair share of tool bags here too.

this one was fresh for me this season ....

cross over conference game, 2, #2 teams going at it, ....one last years MHSAA Class A State Champs, the other an up and coming team pushing for a District run.  Ex-champs pitcher was close, but WAS STOPPING ....  other teams head coach (3b) was pitching a fit.  I had to tell him a couple times until it got to a point where it was "John, ..he's fine, I'm not saying it again"    he still wasn't happy .... but finally shut up .........   whatever ...

[grayhawk]

8 minutes ago, Thunderheads said:

.... but finally shut up .........

Such a beautiful thing.

[Thunderheads]

Just now, grayhawk said:

Such a beautiful thing.

AMEN ...he was just pissed because he was losing 4-0 and his team couldn't hit their way out of a wet paper bag!

[johnnyg08]

The rule calls for a stop, not a pause. 

[KenBAZ]

Jester,

What I'm saying is that when I see a no stop balk it is because an F1 is feeling rushed and just wants to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible. Not when he's purposely trying to vary his hold times.

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[ALStripes17]

The rule calls for a stop, not a pause. 

Pause (n.) - a temporary stop in action or speech

Care to explain the difference?

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[umpstu]

5 hours ago, Thunderheads said:

more proof that California High School coaches are more reasonable than most  

Oh, we have our favorites, too.  

[HuskerUmp22]

Definitely a stop on both videos to me. 

[johnnyg08]

10 hours ago, ALStripes17 said:

Pause (n.) - a temporary stop in action or speech

Care to explain the difference?

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You can continue from where you paused but not from where you stopped.

[RichMSN]

The implication is that a pause means he needs to stop and hold it a certain time.

These videos show a clear and obvious stop to me.

[RichMSN]

The implication is that a pause means he needs to stop and hold it a certain time.

These videos show a clear and obvious stop to me.

[Stk004]

Watching Felix live tonight, not seeing a discernible stop.