Base pops up.

[Guest Double S]

So a batter hit a ball to the outfield deep. As he make his way around, second base pops up as he steps on it causing the runner to lose balance and fall forward, down in his attemp to make it to 3rd and allows enough time to be tagged out by the time he gets up. Would this be an out or would this be an interference type situation and time called and a base awarded?

[noumpere]

The out would stand.  The defense did nothing to "interfere" (or obstruct).  Tough luck.

[Cav]

Out, the same as if he had tripped over a foul line.

[taa71458]

out, after a good chuckle.

[Replacematt]

49 minutes ago, mikecw_1968 said:

I'm with rick on this one.  While the defense did nothing wrong, neither did the runner.  Call obstruction on the "base" and put him where you think he'd be had the obstruction not occurred.  

Nope. SH*# happens. He's out.

[Richvee]

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 second base pops up as he steps on it causing the runner to lose balance 

I see a kid stepping in the middle of a base and tripping on it causing the base to  come up. 

Out. Tough lesson. Learn to cut the corner.   

[webspinnre]

What level of play is this? Just had this happen last night in a little league game, and they have a rule that a player that has a dislodged base cannot be out at that base on that play.

[stkjock]

5 minutes ago, webspinnre said:

What level of play is this? Just had this happen last night in a little league game, and they have a rule that a player that has a dislodged base cannot be out at that base on that play.

isn't that on a slide or play at that base?  Not when they are trying to reach the next base.

[Richvee]

7 minutes ago, webspinnre said:

What level of play is this? Just had this happen last night in a little league game, and they have a rule that a player that has a dislodged base cannot be out at that base on that play.

Don't know about your local rules, but in general, that rule applies to a runner who slides into a base, and the base dislodges. He is not liable to be put out for not being in contact with the base. Also, if a base dislodges and while runners are still advancing, any following runner approaching the base that has dislodged does not need to go chase the bag to touch. Being in the general area of where the base should be will suffice. 

IMO, tripping over a bag that was in place when the runner got there doesn't bring this rule into play,. unless he was scampering back to the base and it wasn't there when the tag was applied....then we have a HTBT situation. 

[Rich Ives]

17 minutes ago, webspinnre said:

What level of play is this? Just had this happen last night in a little league game, and they have a rule that a player that has a dislodged base cannot be out at that base on that play.

A player cannot be out for missing a dislodged base or getting tagged out at a dislodged base. If he tried to scramble back and couldn't find the base he'd be safe. In OBR you have to touch near the spot. In LL you can chase the loose base too. But just tripping over a base - tough - even if it came loose in the process.

[noumpere]

34 minutes ago, webspinnre said:

What level of play is this? Just had this happen last night in a little league game, and they have a rule that a player that has a dislodged base cannot be out at that base on that play.

"Everyone" who uses OBR has that rule:

APPROVED RULING

: (A) If the impact of a runner

breaks a base loose from its position, no play can be

made on that runner at that base if he had reached the

base safely.

APPROVED RULING

: (B) If a base is dislodged from its

position during a play, any following runner on the same

play shall be considered as touching or occupying the

base if, in the umpire’s judgment, he touches or occupies

the point marked by the dislodged bag.

 

[Guest Double S]

1 hour ago, Richvee said:

I see a kid stepping in the middle of a base and tripping on it causing the base to  come up. 

Out. Tough lesson. Learn to cut the corner.   

Well it was just a question I had for future reference and just understanding things correctly. Actually for this incident the 2nd baseman knew how to stand the base up by stepping on the edge of it and did that just before he reach the base causing him to trip or miss place his footing. He was called out because they see it. If I knew how to post pics I would.

They are 14u

Still thank you all for the imput.

[stkjock]

so F4 caused the base to dislodge and trip the runner?

[webspinnre]

50 minutes ago, Rich Ives said:

A player cannot be out for missing a dislodged base or getting tagged out at a dislodged base. If he tried to scramble back and couldn't find the base he'd be safe. In OBR you have to touch near the spot. In LL you can chase the loose base too. But just tripping over a base - tough - even if it came loose in the process.

Oh, you're right, poor reading on my part about going on to third. I was envisioning literally tripping over and it coming off and him there, not him scrambling to keep going on. /embarassed

[Richvee]

18 minutes ago, stkjock said:

so F4 caused the base to dislodge and trip the runner?

Well that sure changes things now doesn't it? 

[noumpere]

53 minutes ago, Guest Double S said:

Actually for this incident the 2nd baseman knew how to stand the base up by stepping on the edge of it and did that just before he reach the base causing him to trip or miss place his footing. He was called out because they see it.

 

If I know enough to look for it and I see it, I'm making sure that F4 doesn't have the opportunity to do anything like this in the rest of the game.  And, I award third.

[Guest Double S]

To all of the crowd it looked like the base popped up and he fell because of that and was out. They a coached not to argue a call. After the game is when he said it was flipped up and when you put the video in slow mo and zoom in you see the base pop up at about 1 step away. He a quik runner and the fastest on his team so bases moving after he hits them isnt uncommon but this was the first time he went down because of it. So it made me wonder what the call be if the base had popped up doing the same thing without F4's help.

[stkjock]

4 hours ago, Richvee said:

Well that sure changes things now doesn't it? 

yea, I bit, if he did how do you handle?  EJ for unsportsmanlike like conduct and award of 3rd?

4 hours ago, Guest Double S said:

To all of the crowd it looked like the base popped up and he fell because of that and was out. They a coached not to argue a call. After the game is when he said it was flipped up and when you put the video in slow mo and zoom in you see the base pop up at about 1 step away. He a quik runner and the fastest on his team so bases moving after he hits them isnt uncommon but this was the first time he went down because of it. So it made me wonder what the call be if the base had popped up doing the same thing without F4's help.

So F4 did pop it up??  yes or no

[Richvee]

41 minutes ago, stkjock said:

yea, I bit, if he did how do you handle?  EJ for unsportsmanlike like conduct and award of 3rd?

 

Yes. DQ and award 3rd If I saw it and knew it was intentional. I don't know what age group we're talking about here, but you know how some of these young kids just run to cover a base when the ball is hit? Maybe the kid just stepped on the base and the other side came up... completely unintentional. Some of these bases rock like a teeter totter when the hole is not dug out properly. In that case I have nothing...just an unfortunate play. If I'm on the bases and watching for the touch at 2nd, I think there's a good chance I could ascertain if F4 flipped the bag up intentionally to trip up the runner. 

[Guest Double S]

11 hours ago, Richvee said:

Yes. DQ and award 3rd If I saw it and knew it was intentional. I don't know what age group we're talking about here, but you know how some of these young kids just run to cover a base when the ball is hit? Maybe the kid just stepped on the base and the other side came up... completely unintentional. Some of these bases rock like a teeter totter when the hole is not dug out properly. In that case I have nothing...just an unfortunate play. If I'm on the bases and watching for the touch at 2nd, I think there's a good chance I could ascertain if F4 flipped the bag up intentionally to trip up the runner. 

I can't say if it was intentional but it looks that way to me since the throw would have gone to 3rd from their cut off. But they are 14 yr. Olds

[Rich Ives]

11 hours ago, Richvee said:

 Some of these bases rock like a teeter totter when the hole is not dug out properly. . 

Way too often.

[ricka56]

I think that this is calls for a 8.01c ruling. You become god and decide what would have happened. 

[mikecw_1968]

I'm with rick on this one.  While the defense did nothing wrong, neither did the runner.  Call obstruction on the "base" and put him where you think he'd be had the obstruction not occurred.