Base runner overruns second base

[Guest Chelsea]

Hello, 

i recently attended my niece's fast pitch game and had a question about a call the umpire made. There was a base runner on first base. The next batter hits a grounder to the short stop who fields the ball and makes her way to second base for the force out. The base runner beats the fielder but over runs second base, at this point the short stop steps on second base with the ball. The umpire called the base runner at second out. (The batter runner on first was safe and no out attempt was made at first base) Is that the correct call? 

[kylehutson]

Nope. Once the runner touches 2nd base, she must be tagged, she cannot be out by just stepping on the base.

[Rich Ives]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  This

[noumpere]

Maybe the runner didn't touch second.  But, I know almost nothing about softball, so I won't opine too much.

[Rich Ives]

1 minute ago, noumpere said:

Maybe the runner didn't touch second.  But, I know almost nothing about softball, so I won't opine too much.

Then it's an appeal play not a force.

[maven]

1 minute ago, noumpere said:

 But, I know almost nothing about softball, so I won't opine too much.

I feel the same way. I think the game is played with one of these:

[noumpere]

19 minutes ago, Rich Ives said:

Then it's an appeal play not a force.

And under some interps under some codes you can appeal a missed "force" base just by stepping (intentionally) on the bag.

[NickG]

This is not an appeal play. R1 successfully beat the force, but when she overran 2B she was liable to be put out on the tag. Because a tag was not applied, the runner should NOT have been called out. Umpire error.

 

NickG

[maven]

7 minutes ago, NickG said:

This is not an appeal play. R1 successfully beat the force, but when she overran 2B she was liable to be put out on the tag. Because a tag was not applied, the runner should NOT have been called out. Umpire error.

The suggestion that it might be an appeal play was made in order to find a way for the umpire to be right.

IF the runner missed the base, and IF the applicable softball rules allow a fielder to tag the base to appeal a missed base, and IF the umpire ruled on all that correctly, THEN all that would make the call in the OP correct.

[NickG]

My only question is, where in the OP does it say R1 missed second base? She overran it. That keeps the OP simple. I believe she is safe.

[ALStripes17]

My only question is, where in the OP does it say R1 missed second base? She overran it. That keeps the OP simple. I believe she is safe.

Read mavens response again.

The SUGGESTION was made in an attempt to make the umpire right. We can only go by the OP description and that description does leave some room that the runner could have missed the bag.

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[noumpere]

5 hours ago, NickG said:

My only question is, where in the OP does it say R1 missed second base? She overran it. That keeps the OP simple. I believe she is safe.

It doesn't.  But, all too often, what a poster describes isn't what happened (and I am NOT accusing the OP of this).  So, we often identify little tweaks to a description that could change the ruling.  Even if that's not what happened (and the umpire just kicked it), it can be a good intellectual exercise for fans and umpires.

[Guest JJB]

What happens In the same scenario with the bases loaded?  Will a tag to second after an over run be out?

[noumpere]

6 minutes ago, Guest JJB said:

What happens In the same scenario with the bases loaded?  Will a tag to second after an over run be out?

Assuming you are talking about the OP, then any runners "in advance" of the runner in question (R1, here), don't affect the play.  Once a runner touches a base to which s/he was forced, the force is removed -- the runner must be tagged to be out, and the out is not a foce out.