Crow Hop from Rubber

[HeyBlue!]

Couldn't figure out how to embed this one, apologies, but the video is available here.

 

What do you all have on this? OBR citation helpful!

 

 

[Thunderheads]

What do you mean? What do we have?

 

It's a pitch .... funny looking, but it's a pitch.........

[HeyBlue!]

I've heard ongoing discussion on other forums/pages about the matter of a balk or not.

 

I don't see one personally, just wanted input from others around the web.

[Thunderheads]

I've heard ongoing discussion on other forums/pages about the matter of a balk or not.

 

I don't see one personally, just wanted input from others around the web.

what .... on Facebook?     LOL .....

[Thunderheads]

http://m.mlb.com/video/v73287783

[hbk314]

 

I've heard ongoing discussion on other forums/pages about the matter of a balk or not.

 

I don't see one personally, just wanted input from others around the web.

what .... on Facebook?     LOL .....

 

I have no idea where it's being talked about, but it's definitely a delivery to talk about.

 

I have a hard time imagining too consistent of a delivery with the way he does it.

 

Also, at what point is the line drawn? How much closer to the plate can you let pitchers get before releasing the pitch?

[ALStripes17]

The FB FED group can be interesting at times, but I don't think anyone really picked this stick up (or any of its brown ends) on this matter :)

[maven]

This is a start/stop balk. The pitcher's motion commits him to pitch to the batter. Instead of doing that, he hops toward the plate. Balk in all codes.

[Thunderheads]

This is a start/stop balk. The pitcher's motion commits him to pitch to the batter. Instead of doing that, he hops toward the plate. Balk in all codes.

doesn't everyone push off of the rubber?  No one is touching the rubber when the ball is released, correct?

[johnnyg08]

 

This is a start/stop balk. The pitcher's motion commits him to pitch to the batter. Instead of doing that, he hops toward the plate. Balk in all codes.

doesn't everyone push off of the rubber?  No one is touching the rubber when the ball is released, correct?

 

 

Yes, but normally they're not 2 feet closer to the plate.  

This is a tricky one.  

[Thunderheads]

 

 

This is a start/stop balk. The pitcher's motion commits him to pitch to the batter. Instead of doing that, he hops toward the plate. Balk in all codes.

doesn't everyone push off of the rubber?  No one is touching the rubber when the ball is released, correct?

 

 

Yes, but normally they're not 2 feet closer to the plate.  

This is a tricky one.  

 

Dan Iassogna said it best.... caught on a live mic behind the plate as he yells to the dugout..... "It's not a balk ....it looks funny, but it's not a balk"  [not verbatim]

[maven]

 

This is a start/stop balk. The pitcher's motion commits him to pitch to the batter. Instead of doing that, he hops toward the plate. Balk in all codes.

doesn't everyone push off of the rubber?  No one is touching the rubber when the ball is released, correct?

 

 

That's not what I said. Pushing off the rubber ≠ hopping toward the plate.

[Thunderheads]

 

 

This is a start/stop balk. The pitcher's motion commits him to pitch to the batter. Instead of doing that, he hops toward the plate. Balk in all codes.

doesn't everyone push off of the rubber?  No one is touching the rubber when the ball is released, correct?

 

 

That's not what I said. Pushing off the rubber ≠ hopping toward the plate.

 

True, you didn't say that...my fault.  Not putting words in your mouth, that's not what I meant to do.  I understand your point.

 

His "hop" is off of the rubber.....

[maven]

His "hop" is off of the rubber.....

So you agree with me? He hopped when he should have pitched (he pushed off again after hopping, right?). Illegal/balk.

[Thunderheads]

 

His "hop" is off of the rubber.....

So you agree with me? He hopped when he should have pitched (he pushed off again after hopping, right?). Illegal/balk.

 

No.  Hops from the rubber .....his back foot hitting the ground isn't a secondary push as I can determine ......

[NovaScotiaBlue]

I've watched the video over and over and this is what I see.
He's not stopping and starting.
His push off the rubber is an exaggerated leap.
His motion ends with the front foot plant and delivery.
 

[Thunderheads]

I've watched the video over and over and this is what I see.

He's not stopping and starting.

His push off the rubber is an exaggerated leap.

His motion ends with the front foot plant and delivery.

 

agree .....

 

it's SUPER odd, and looks really weird ....but .......... his back foot hitting the ground before he plants is just that, hitting the ground ....however, I can see where maven sees a second push because the one angle "looks" like that .......

[NovaScotiaBlue]

Watch video of a young Tom Seaver in his prime. His front foot ends up in pretty much the same place on the mound.

There was no hop just a tremendous leg drive

[ElkOil]

FED  6-1-2:

 

During delivery, he may lift his non-pivot foot in a step forward, a step sideways, or in a step backward and a step forward, but he shall not otherwise lift either foot.

[DVA7130]

It's not called in the bigs.

I'm not touching it.

[maven]

FED 6-1-2:

During delivery, he may lift his non-pivot foot in a step forward, a step sideways, or in a step backward and a step forward, but he shall not otherwise lift either foot.

Applies to the windup only. This F1 is in the set.

[johnnyg08]

I have no problem not balking it.  But I would like to have a better explanation than "well, skip, they don't call it in the bigs, and that's good enough for me"  

 

Is a simple "it's not illegal" enough?  Maybe so.

[BillKen]

I have no problem not balking it.  But I would like to have a better explanation than "well, skip, they don't call it in the bigs, and that's good enough for me"  

 

Is a simple "it's not illegal" enough?  Maybe so.

Maven said it...Start/Stop.  If we aren't going to call this, what is to stop them from taking 2-3-4 crow hops and delivering from 40 feet?

[Jimurray]

I have no problem not balking it. But I would like to have a better explanation than "well, skip, they don't call it in the bigs, and that's good enough for me"

Is a simple "it's not illegal" enough? Maybe so.

Maven said it...Start/Stop. If we aren't going to call this, what is to stop them from taking 2-3-4 crow hops and delivering from 40 feet? To start with, in OBR, starting and stopping is not anything (nothing) with no runners on. But it doesn't look like a start and stop but possibly a rationalization of a start and stop because you/ we don't like it. So call it what it is or isn't. Delivering a pitch while not in contact with the rubber. Slippery slope there.

[Thunderheads]

 

 

I have no problem not balking it. But I would like to have a better explanation than "well, skip, they don't call it in the bigs, and that's good enough for me"

Is a simple "it's not illegal" enough? Maybe so.

Maven said it...Start/Stop. If we aren't going to call this, what is to stop them from taking 2-3-4 crow hops and delivering from 40 feet? To start with, in OBR, starting and stopping is not anything (nothing) with no runners on. But it doesn't look like a start and stop but possibly a rationalization of a start and stop because you/ we don't like it. So call it what it is or isn't. Delivering a pitch while not in contact with the rubber. Slippery slope there.

 

No one does ......