2 man doubleplay

[alan2703]

Was told by observer for my college try out that my foot work was off for 2nd to first double play,anyone know of video that could show mw proper foot work man on first in b position,thank you

[johnnyg08]

So he told you that you needed to work on your feet, but didn't show you what he wanted to see?

[alan2703]

correct and no info on where to find it,hoping someone out here can help

[johnnyg08]

Interesting.

[maven]

http://www.doanegrccumpirecamp.com/

[johnnyg08]

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[alan2703]

Thank you

[MidAmUmp]

Most umpires get "sucked in" to the play at 2nd, and take themselves out of position for the closer play at 1st.

1. Step up with your right foot (on a hit to 3rd or SS). Step up with your left foot (on a hit to 2nd or 1st)
2. Turn towards the ball
3. As the throw goes to 2nd, take a step or 2 towards the 45' - this will feel awkward to move away from the play @ 2nd, but it's what you need to do.
4. Chest to ball as the ball arrives at 2nd base to see the exchange.
5. Let the ball turn you to 1st - you should already be in position
6. Be stopped/set for the play at 1st.

[spiritump]

So he told you that you needed to work on your feet, but didn't show you what he wanted to see?

The original post said it was a try out. At try outs; you try out---at camps they will show you

[johnnyg08]

The original post said it was a try out. At try outs; you try out---at camps they will show you

Crappy model. An evaluation should always contain feedback.

[maven]

Crappy model. An evaluation should always contain feedback.

He did receive feedback. His footwork is poor in a DP situation.

 

He did not receive training/retraining to correct the issue. That's what clinics are for.

[johnnyg08]

He did receive feedback. His footwork is poor in a DP situation.

 

He did not receive training/retraining to correct the issue. That's what clinics are for.

Fair enough, I'll expand..."Here's what you're doing wrong and here's how to fix it..." If you want guys to be a part of your organization, you will help them at that time.

Think of it this way "Your footwork needs to be corrected...for another $200 I can tell you how to fix it..." Ridiculous.

Shake my head man.

[Kevin_K]

 

He did receive feedback. His footwork is poor in a DP situation.

 

He did not receive training/retraining to correct the issue. That's what clinics are for.

Fair enough, I'll expand..."Here's what you're doing wrong and here's how to fix it..." If you want guys to be a part of your organization, you will help them at that time.

Think of it this way "Your footwork needs to be corrected...for another $200 I can tell you how to fix it..." Ridiculous.

Shake my head man.

 

 

And that may be the basis of not offering advice.

[MidAmUmp]

 

So he told you that you needed to work on your feet, but didn't show you what he wanted to see?

The original post said it was a try out. At try outs; you try out---at camps they will show you

 

I would never give anyone feedback/eval/advice without telling them how to correct what they are doing wrong. We do a CBUA showcase/tryout in Iowa each fall. I drew up a diagram on 2 guys evals so they knew exactly what I was talking about and I walked them through the footwork in the parking lot after the game.

 

If you are holding a tryout to move guys into college baseball you are either looking to add guys or hold guys back. If you're not helping them get better, you're holding them back.

[spiritump]

He did receive feedback. His footwork is poor in a DP situation.

 

He did not receive training/retraining to correct the issue. That's what clinics are for.

Fair enough, I'll expand..."Here's what you're doing wrong and here's how to fix it..." If you want guys to be a part of your organization, you will help them at that time.

Think of it this way "Your footwork needs to be corrected...for another $200 I can tell you how to fix it..." Ridiculous.

Shake my head man.

they do not want guys as part of the organization who has to learn how to ump--at that level YOU have to know how it is done. If you go to a job interview you either can do the job or you can't;the company is not going to hire you then teach you how to do the job they are paying you for.

[johnnyg08]

He did receive feedback. His footwork is poor in a DP situation.

 

He did not receive training/retraining to correct the issue. That's what clinics are for.

Fair enough, I'll expand..."Here's what you're doing wrong and here's how to fix it..." If you want guys to be a part of your organization, you will help them at that time.

Think of it this way "Your footwork needs to be corrected...for another $200 I can tell you how to fix it..." Ridiculous.

Shake my head man.

they do not want guys as part of the organization who has to learn how to ump--at that level YOU have to know how it is done. If you go to a job interview you either can do the job or you can't;the company is not going to hire you then teach you how to do the job they are paying you for.

I would buy that if and only if all of the umpires at the college level also used the perfect, approved mechanics all the time, every time. The fact is that many of them don't. It's too bad that the kid goes to a try out and has to come here to get his feedback so he can improve.

I shake my head to the organizations that make the umpire school graduate start out by working 9th grade baseball...they have to "work their way up" or "learn how we do it here" first.

[spiritump]

He did receive feedback. His footwork is poor in a DP situation.

 

He did not receive training/retraining to correct the issue. That's what clinics are for.

Fair enough, I'll expand..."Here's what you're doing wrong and here's how to fix it..." If you want guys to be a part of your organization, you will help them at that time.

Think of it this way "Your footwork needs to be corrected...for another $200 I can tell you how to fix it..." Ridiculous.

Shake my head man.

they do not want guys as part of the organization who has to learn how to ump--at that level YOU have to know how it is done. If you go to a job interview you either can do the job or you can't;the company is not going to hire you then teach you how to do the job they are paying you for.

I would buy that if and only if all of the umpires at the college level also used the perfect, approved mechanics all the time, every time. The fact is that many of them don't. It's too bad that the kid goes to a try out and has to come here to get his feedback so he can improve.

I shake my head to the organizations that make the umpire school graduate start out by working 9th grade baseball...they have to "work their way up" or "learn how we do it here" first.

I find that true in High School Associations about School graduates and even minor league guys who were let go. They go and join the local High School Association and they have to cadet.

I have to disagree about the College guys and perfect Mechanics. Once you make it you do not need to be perfect--but when you are trying to break in to College Ball, they look to find things that you do wrong so you do not have to be perfect, but you should try to be as close as possible to it.

[johnnyg08]

Except that when you go to some clinics, you have the evaluator down the first base line telling you to do it this way...then the evaluator down the third base line tells you to do it differently than the guy across the diamond.  

 

So even there, there's no consistency.  

[Ump29]

Except that when you go to some clinics, you have the evaluator down the first base line telling you to do it this way...then the evaluator down the third base line tells you to do it differently than the guy across the diamond.  

 

So even there, there's no consistency.  

Been there done that.

[MidAmUmp]

 

 

He did receive feedback. His footwork is poor in a DP situation.

 

He did not receive training/retraining to correct the issue. That's what clinics are for.

Fair enough, I'll expand..."Here's what you're doing wrong and here's how to fix it..." If you want guys to be a part of your organization, you will help them at that time.

Think of it this way "Your footwork needs to be corrected...for another $200 I can tell you how to fix it..." Ridiculous.

Shake my head man.

they do not want guys as part of the organization who has to learn how to ump--at that level YOU have to know how it is done. If you go to a job interview you either can do the job or you can't;the company is not going to hire you then teach you how to do the job they are paying you for.

 

 

So you have to be perfect before you can work at the next level???

 

Hell, I screw something up pretty much every time I walk on the field. If you're not learning something new every time you're on the field, you need to get off the field.

 

I've never heard of anyone fired from a job because they didn't know everything on their first day.

 

Except that when you go to some clinics, you have the evaluator down the first base line telling you to do it this way...then the evaluator down the third base line tells you to do it differently than the guy across the diamond.  

 

So even there, there's no consistency.  

There's a difference between telling someone something totally different and saying something a different way or a different opinion. Telling a guy to take a play hands on knees vs. leaning into the play is one thing. Telling a guy to rotate and another telling him to stay home is another story.

 

I may tell a guy to call his strikes out to the side because I think he looks better, another of my instructors may tell the same guy to throw the hammer because he thinks the guy looks better. Just 2 different opinions.

[johnnyg08]

 

 

 

He did receive feedback. His footwork is poor in a DP situation.

 

He did not receive training/retraining to correct the issue. That's what clinics are for.

Fair enough, I'll expand..."Here's what you're doing wrong and here's how to fix it..." If you want guys to be a part of your organization, you will help them at that time.

Think of it this way "Your footwork needs to be corrected...for another $200 I can tell you how to fix it..." Ridiculous.

Shake my head man.

they do not want guys as part of the organization who has to learn how to ump--at that level YOU have to know how it is done. If you go to a job interview you either can do the job or you can't;the company is not going to hire you then teach you how to do the job they are paying you for.

 

 

So you have to be perfect before you can work at the next level???

 

Hell, I screw something up pretty much every time I walk on the field. If you're not learning something new every time you're on the field, you need to get off the field.

 

I've never heard of anyone fired from a job because they didn't know everything on their first day.

 

Except that when you go to some clinics, you have the evaluator down the first base line telling you to do it this way...then the evaluator down the third base line tells you to do it differently than the guy across the diamond.  

 

So even there, there's no consistency.  

There's a difference between telling someone something totally different and saying something a different way or a different opinion. Telling a guy to take a play hands on knees vs. leaning into the play is one thing. Telling a guy to rotate and another telling him to stay home is another story.

 

I may tell a guy to call his strikes out to the side because I think he looks better, another of my instructors may tell the same guy to throw the hammer because he thinks the guy looks better. Just 2 different opinions.

 

 

I agree with all of this.  That was my point.  I guess it's all in the eyes of the evaluator.  I think some evaluators do hold a double standard though.

[Haid D' Salaami]

http://www.doanegrccumpirecamp.com/

is there a video or instructions on this advertisement for this clinic?

[Haid D' Salaami]

 

He did receive feedback. His footwork is poor in a DP situation.

 

He did not receive training/retraining to correct the issue. That's what clinics are for.

Fair enough, I'll expand..."Here's what you're doing wrong and here's how to fix it..." If you want guys to be a part of your organization, you will help them at that time.

Think of it this way "Your footwork needs to be corrected...for another $200 I can tell you how to fix it..." Ridiculous.

Shake my head man.

 

I know when i teach at clinics, i will say that your doing it wrong.. but here is a easier way to do this footwork, come over here and if you want i will show you.

[Haid D' Salaami]

JUST CAUSE A GUY GOES TO UMPIRE SCHOOL DOES NOT MEAN HE CAN UMPIRE. i HAVE SEEN THIS 1ST HAND AND CONTINUE TO SEE IT. Guys will come out of school and think they can go right to college.. it's really funny.

[Haid D' Salaami]

 

 

 

He did receive feedback. His footwork is poor in a DP situation.

 

He did not receive training/retraining to correct the issue. That's what clinics are for.

Fair enough, I'll expand..."Here's what you're doing wrong and here's how to fix it..." If you want guys to be a part of your organization, you will help them at that time.

Think of it this way "Your footwork needs to be corrected...for another $200 I can tell you how to fix it..." Ridiculous.

Shake my head man.

they do not want guys as part of the organization who has to learn how to ump--at that level YOU have to know how it is done. If you go to a job interview you either can do the job or you can't;the company is not going to hire you then teach you how to do the job they are paying you for.

 

 

So you have to be perfect before you can work at the next level???

 

Hell, I screw something up pretty much every time I walk on the field. If you're not learning something new every time you're on the field, you need to get off the field.

 

I've never heard of anyone fired from a job because they didn't know everything on their first day.

 

Except that when you go to some clinics, you have the evaluator down the first base line telling you to do it this way...then the evaluator down the third base line tells you to do it differently than the guy across the diamond.  

 

So even there, there's no consistency.  

There's a difference between telling someone something totally different and saying something a different way or a different opinion. Telling a guy to take a play hands on knees vs. leaning into the play is one thing. Telling a guy to rotate and another telling him to stay home is another story.

 

I may tell a guy to call his strikes out to the side because I think he looks better, another of my instructors may tell the same guy to throw the hammer because he thinks the guy looks better. Just 2 different opinions.

 

Jason i dont think i would make it in that group either.. if you have to be perfect..LOL I mess up all the time.