MLB: Touching home before third out

[Bill Niles]

In MLB, the bases are loaded and there are two outs.  Third baseman fields a grounder in the 5.5 hole and tries to tag the runner approaching from second base.  The runner retreats back toward second base and the third baseman chases him down and tags him out at about ten feet short of second base.  Just before the tag is made, the runner who had been on third base touches home plate.  Does the run count or not?

[guyinaredhat]

No , the run does not count .

If the thir out of the inning is a force , the run will not count .

The runner from 2nd was forced to run to third and his out was made before he reached third . Thus r2 was forced out, and the run does not score

[gymcoch]

However, if it was NOT a force (no runner on 1B), the run would count, right?

[Rich Ives]

However, if it was NOT a force (no runner on 1B), the run would count, right?

 

If the exception requires a force out and there's no force out then . . . .

[Jocko]

However, if it was NOT a force (no runner on 1B), the run would count, right?

if a runner is forced to leave his base (whichever that may be) as a result of the batter becoming a batter runner, it is a force. If there were no R1, then R2 wasn't forced from his base. If R3 scores before R2 is retired, then yes. The run scores.

[Thunderheads]

 

However, if it was NOT a force (no runner on 1B), the run would count, right?

if a runner is forced to leave his base (whichever that may be) as a result of the batter becoming a batter runner, it is a force. If there were no R1, then R2 wasn't forced from his base. If R3 scores before R2 is retired, then yes. The run scores.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  THIS ,. ........ THUS, making it a "time" play .....................

[FleasOf1000Camels]

SOOOOO many people get confused on this play.  Players, coaches, fans and even umpires.  It makes NO difference if the FORCED runner is tagged, or if the base is tagged...if the runner is FORCED to advance its a FORCE out.  No run can score on a play when the 3rd out is made by a batter who fails to reach first base, or if the 3rd out is a force out.

[noumpere]

Yep -- it's a logic problem.  They think that because a force out can be made by tagging the base, that the two terms are synonymous -- and that a force out can ONLY be made be tagging the base, and that all outs made by tagging a base are force outs.

[FleasOf1000Camels]

Right on; Logic is the key.

 

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