No Pitch, Live Ball?

[Mudder]

I'm BU, R2, RHP on rubber looking at R2, comes set and starts his delivery, R2 is on the move stealing 3B, but batter is not ready, PU steps out from behind the catcher and yells " No Pitch, No Pitch".  R2 reaches 3B safely, but PU sends him back to 2B, saying he called no pitch and R2 has to return to 2B. Offensive coach argues why his runner has to go back to 2B

 

Just because its a no pitch, the ball still remains alive, does it not?, or is there an implied "Time" call when the no pitch is called?

[ALStripes17]

I'm BU, R2, RHP on rubber looking at R2, comes set and starts his delivery, R2 is on the move stealing 3B, but batter is not ready, PU steps out from behind the catcher and yells " No Pitch, No Pitch". R2 reaches 3B safely, but PU sends him back to 2B, saying he called no pitch and R2 has to return to 2B. Offensive coach argues why his runner has to go back to 2B Just because its a no pitch, the ball still remains alive, does it not?, or is there an implied "Time" call when the no pitch is called?

Play has been killed. Nothing can happen. If it's a legitimate quick-pitch by F1, then it's a balk. If it's the batter taking his jolly sweet time to get back in the box bc he's Nomar Garciaparra or the coach taking too long to give signs, then the R2 needs to have a chat with those gentlemen for taking a possible SB away Edit to add: this is also horrible game management by the PU

[noumpere]

I'm BU, R2, RHP on rubber looking at R2, comes set and starts his delivery, R2 is on the move stealing 3B, but batter is not ready, PU steps out from behind the catcher and yells " No Pitch, No Pitch".  R2 reaches 3B safely, but PU sends him back to 2B, saying he called no pitch and R2 has to return to 2B. Offensive coach argues why his runner has to go back to 2B

 

Just because its a no pitch, the ball still remains alive, does it not?, or is there an implied "Time" call when the no pitch is called?

 

I'm not letting F1 come set until the batter is ready.  And I'll work with F2 if I need to help with this.

 

As to your specific question, correctly ruled.

[Rich Ives]

 

I'm BU, R2, RHP on rubber looking at R2, comes set and starts his delivery, R2 is on the move stealing 3B, but batter is not ready, PU steps out from behind the catcher and yells " No Pitch, No Pitch". R2 reaches 3B safely, but PU sends him back to 2B, saying he called no pitch and R2 has to return to 2B. Offensive coach argues why his runner has to go back to 2B

Just because its a no pitch, the ball still remains alive, does it not?, or is there an implied "Time" call when the no pitch is called?

Play has been killed. Nothing can happen.

If it's a legitimate quick-pitch by F1, then it's a balk.

If it's the batter taking his jolly sweet time to get back in the box bc he's Nomar Garciaparra or the coach taking too long to give signs, then the R2 needs to have a chat with those gentlemen for taking a possible SB away

Edit to add: this is also horrible game management by the PU

 

 

 

Amateur!  Shouda seen Mike Hargrove - "The Human Rain Delay".

[JaxRolo]

I would say time is implied. PU should have been more clear by actually calling time.

[ricka56]

If it's a legitimate quick-pitch by F1, then it's a balk.

 

If its a real quick-pitch, then PU is allowing a preventable dangerous condition to exist.

If PU is preventing this dangerous condition, there won't ever be a quick-pitch balk.

[umpire_scott]

I'm BU, R2, RHP on rubber looking at R2, comes set and starts his delivery, R2 is on the move stealing 3B, but batter is not ready, PU steps out from behind the catcher and yells " No Pitch, No Pitch".  R2 reaches 3B safely, but PU sends him back to 2B, saying he called no pitch and R2 has to return to 2B. Offensive coach argues why his runner has to go back to 2B

 

Just because its a no pitch, the ball still remains alive, does it not?, or is there an implied "Time" call when the no pitch is called?

 

Offensive coach argues?  What an idiot.  So coach let me get this straight.  You want us to allow your batter to stand out of the batters box indicating to the pitcher and the rest of the defense that he is not ready.  AND you want us to allow your runners to steal bases?  I'm sure if the pitcher pitched you'd also want us to to protect your batter from having a strike called because he wasn't ready.

[maven]

Uh. Implied time: no such thing. "No pitch": no such mechanic.

 

Let's do it properly, gang: call "Time," reset, go again.

 

If F1 comes set and the batter's not ready, nip it in the bud. Remind F2 if necessary.

[umpire_scott]

Uh. Implied time: no such thing. "No pitch": no such mechanic.

 

Let's do it properly, gang: call "Time," reset, go again.

 

If F1 comes set and the batter's not ready, nip it in the bud. Remind F2 if necessary.

 

Exactly the PU should have been saying "Time, step off" as soon as F1 looked like he was thinking of coming set.  He does his job and the rest of the post does not happen.

[maven]

Exactly the PU should have been saying "Time, step off" as soon as F1 looked like he was thinking of coming set.  He does his job and the rest of the post does not happen.

Why bother with that? He can drop the ball, walk forward off the rubber, or dance the Macarena once the ball's dead.

 

Plus, he's gotta be on for me to make the ball live again, so we might as well leave him there.

[umpire_scott]

 

Exactly the PU should have been saying "Time, step off" as soon as F1 looked like he was thinking of coming set.  He does his job and the rest of the post does not happen.

Why bother with that? He can drop the ball, walk forward off the rubber, or dance the Macarena once the ball's dead.

 

Plus, he's gotta be on for me to make the ball live again, so we might as well leave him there.

 

 

Good point.  I've just always done it as a complete reset of the situation and so everyone is aware of why I'm calling time.  In addition I usually use him being off the rubber to explain what he did wrong.  But you are right that there is no real reason to do it.  I can explain while he is on the rubber as long as I've called time.

[Kevin_K]

Is it possible that PU had his hand up, indicating that F1 should not pitch and F1 just blew through it? In that case I could understand PU's histrionics in killing the "pitch" and returning the runner.