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TStokes97

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Today I had a batter square around in pitchers delivery he squared until the ball was halfway home then pulling back, ball then was out of zone, I called it a swing, coach disagreed was I correct?

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grayhawk
grayhawk

What bunt?

noumpere
noumpere

I think 9.01(d) is the best reference.

grayhawk
grayhawk

I'm confused.  How is this anything other than a foul ball?  What's there to argue about?

Jocko

Jocko

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@ - simply squaring isn't enough. He's not even required to pull it back. He either offered at the pitch or he didnt. If he did, strike. If not, ball.

TStokes97

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@ - simply squaring isn't enough. He's not even required to pull it back. He either offered at the pitch or he didnt. If he did, strike. If not, ball.

ok thanks, wasn't prepared to see a 10 year old bunt, I would have gotten help but in our 10U we have a one man crew, oh well the bunting team crushed their opponent anyways so at least i know for the next game
treydawgmt

treydawgmt

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In a case study somewhere I think it specifically spells out that squaring to bunt as an action does not itself constitute an attempt. So it's specifically allowed even.

(Don't ask me rule set or where it is, but I'm sure it's there somewhere)

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TStokes97

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In a case study somewhere I think it specifically spells out that squaring to bunt as an action does not itself constitute an attempt. So it's specifically allowed even.

(Don't ask me rule set or where it is, but I'm sure it's there somewhere)

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Yeah I should probably read up more, Im having some issues but should be fine soon,
Stan W.

Stan W.

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your position in the original post was not an offer nor a swing.........this is baseball 101, you need to brush up....dont fall into that myth of squaring up or just leaving a bat over the zone is a strike theory...

 

Merely holding the bat over the zone does not constitute a swing. To be a strike, the batter must make an offer at the pitch.....that would involve moving the bat towards the ball in an effort to hit the pitch.... 

Now, the judgment of whether or not a batter does so is solely the umpires decision....so in the OP, the Umpire was correct in his call and explanation... 

Applicable rules....

Fed 7.2.1b In bunting, any movement of the bat toward the ball when the ball is over or near the plate is a strike. The mere holding of the bat in the strike zone is not an attempt to bunt. 

 NCAA/OBR- Official interp- A bat left in the strike zone is not, in itself, an offer at a pitch. However the intent of the batter should declare whether he offered at the pitch.

Connect the OBR definition of a bunt to the OBR definition of a strike and you can get the connection to the Official Interpretation.

  • A bunt is a batted ball not swung at but intentionally met with the bat and tapped slowly within the infield. 
  • A strike is a. "Struck at by the batter and is missed"

 

The common thread in the 2 is that the bat must be moved by the batter intentionally....

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th3, on 19 May 2014 - 11:37 AM, said:

 

bam, on 19 May 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

The correct answer would be "never"

to what question?

 

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Mad Mike

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Question applicable to this thread:

 

OBR SIT: Batter squares to bunt, pitch comes in fast, high and inside, batter does not move bat. (I would have judged batter still offered) However, ball hits bat, fouls off into kids face. I call a dead ball strike. Coach is ticked off. I end up tossing him for language, plus he kicks dirt on my partner trying to play rodeo clown.....

 

What is the best OBR rule reference for this situation?

ALStripes17

ALStripes17

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Question applicable to this thread:

OBR SIT: Batter squares to bunt, pitch comes in fast, high and inside, batter does not move bat. (I would have judged batter still offered) However, ball hits bat, fouls off into kids face. I call a dead ball strike. Coach is ticked off. I end up tossing him for language, plus he kicks dirt on my partner trying to play rodeo clown.....

What is the best OBR rule reference for this situation?

The definition of a 'strike' and/or 'foul ball'? Rule 2.00

Was this a 2-strike situation? If you judged that he did not offer at it and it still hit the bat, then it's simply a 'foul ball.'

ALStripes17

ALStripes17

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Question applicable to this thread:

OBR SIT: Batter squares to bunt, pitch comes in fast, high and inside, batter does not move bat. (I would have judged batter still offered) However, ball hits bat, fouls off into kids face. I call a dead ball strike. Coach is ticked off. I end up tossing him for language, plus he kicks dirt on my partner trying to play rodeo clown.....

What is the best OBR rule reference for this situation?

The definition of a 'strike' and/or 'foul ball'? Rule 2.00

Was this a 2-strike situation? If you judged that he did not offer at it and it still hit the bat, then it's simply a 'foul ball.'

grayhawk

grayhawk

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Question applicable to this thread:

 

OBR SIT: Batter squares to bunt, pitch comes in fast, high and inside, batter does not move bat. (I would have judged batter still offered) However, ball hits bat, fouls off into kids face. I call a dead ball strike. Coach is ticked off. I end up tossing him for language, plus he kicks dirt on my partner trying to play rodeo clown.....

 

What is the best OBR rule reference for this situation?

 

I'm confused.  How is this anything other than a foul ball?  What's there to argue about?

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Mad Mike

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It was the first pitch to the batter. The guy was screaming it never hit the bat. I need to find out where he got his hearing aid to "not" hear it hit the bat from 90 feet away.

grayhawk

grayhawk

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It was the first pitch to the batter. The guy was screaming it never hit the bat. I need to find out where he got his hearing aid to "not" hear it hit the bat from 90 feet away.

 

I see.  You made a call, he disagreed and acted like a child, so you told him to take his toys and go home.  Seems pretty simple.  

ALStripes17

ALStripes17

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It was the first pitch to the batter. The guy was screaming it never hit the bat. I need to find out where he got his hearing aid to "not" hear it hit the bat from 90 feet away.

I see. You made a call, he disagreed and acted like a child, so you told him to take his toys and go home. Seems pretty simple.

But let's be honest, his toys weren't ejected. They can/should stay at the game :)

ricka56

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Question applicable to this thread:

 

OBR SIT:  batter does not move bat. (I would have judged batter still offered)

 

Why?

 

Batter squares to bunt (bat out in front of him), pitch is very close to where bat is located, in Mad Mike sitch the pitch hits the bat, so it's a no-brainer strike, but what if it doesn't hit the bat? Why would a batter move his bat to bunt a pitch if he thought that the bat was already in position to bunt the pitch. This would have to be a HTBT sitch, but I would consider calling it an offer (htbt) if batter left bat out near the pitch and either made contact or just missed bunting it.  

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